how israel reacts to attacks

[irvman21]

Why do people act like this tactic is something new? This is the situation Israel has been in since they declared independence. Their neighbors have always been perfectly happy to trade life for life. Israel has to respond to each attack overwhelmingly, this is a proportional response when you are outnumbered in the region by over 20-1.
The desire to destroy Israel started May 14, 1948 and has nothing to do with the occupation of Gaza, or the West Bank, or the Golan, or any of the other excuses that have been developed in the past 58 years. A Jewish state is unacceptable to the majority of the Middle East under any circumstances, but "defending our poor Palistinian brothers" plays better on TV and garners more sympathy than the truth.

[niss]

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The current Israeli terrorism in Lebanon isn't about reacting to "attacks," it's about Israel defending its right to kidnap, to drag people from their homes at night and hold them indefinitely without charge, evidence or trial.

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Right on, brother, but why stop there. I heard (from a very reliable source at Al-Jazeera) that the "Hezbollah" members who "kidnapped" the Israeli soldiers were actually Israeli agents, that the whole thing was staged to allow Israel an excuse to bomb Lebanon back to 1982, and that the soldiers and the "Hezbollah" members are right now drinking pina coladas on the beach in Mykonos.

[irvman21]

I saw on Moveon that they were really CIA agents posing as Mossad agents at the behest of Karl Rove to stir up unrest so Iraq would get out of the news for a few weeks.

[Ray Zee]

cyrus, its a tough one, which course to take. israel choses to take the road to overwhelming retaliation to being attacked. for most countries that are fighting another of similar size that tactic isnt good, as it can lead to full time war. israel is stuck in between a bunch of countries that have an agenda to wipe it out. or so it seems to me.
so for israel to survive it cant just trade equal blows as they surely will end up the loser in that game. so it wisely picks the course of super return fire to anyone that dares to invade.
i do think its their best course until such time as all the surounding countries willingly accept israel in their neighborhood, and are also willing to leave it alone. then i think peaceful co-existence can happen. if the other countries wont let israel alone then israel must move into more territory and occupy it as a buffer. which would make a bigger war more likely.
sooner or later israel will win with help from outside its borders, or will get swallowed up and its people will immigrate to another place again.

[jman220]

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and hold them indefinitely without charge, evidence or trial.

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Now you're just confusing Israel with the U.S.

[C0pernicus]

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If it had been that simple, Ray, all military bases in Syria would have been bombed by US warplanes and cruiser missiles during this weekend. As they weren't, i.e. US (and most others) sees a point in not reacting disproportionally.

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I must have missed the news that syria (or even terrorists from syrian soil) lobbed missiles into manhattan.

I am pretty sure the US dropping 2 a-bombs on japan in WWII wasn't quite "proportionate."

Could you imagine america's response if hezbollah had the capability of sending missiles from lebanon that could land in america? The entire country of lebanon would have been carpet bombed by now.

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You may know soon if you are correct, since Lebanon claimed today to be close to a missile that could reach the East Coast of the US. (Delusional, imo, but hey, if they want to stick their necks out with such delusions, I say go for it).

[primetime32]

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If it had been that simple, Ray, all military bases in Syria would have been bombed by US warplanes and cruiser missiles during this weekend. As they weren't, i.e. US (and most others) sees a point in not reacting disproportionally.

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I must have missed the news that syria (or even terrorists from syrian soil) lobbed missiles into manhattan.

I am pretty sure the US dropping 2 a-bombs on japan in WWII wasn't quite "proportionate."

Could you imagine america's response if hezbollah had the capability of sending missiles from lebanon that could land in america? The entire country of lebanon would have been carpet bombed by now.

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You may know soon if you are correct, since Lebanon claimed today to be close to a missile that could reach the East Coast of the US. (Delusional, imo, but hey, if they want to stick their necks out with such delusions, I say go for it).

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was that lebanon or iran? last i checked lebanon didn't have a missile that could reach southern lebanon.

Edited to say that you probably meant hezbollah, but i think that is all smoke and mirrors. Any arab nation that would launch a missile at america would be asking to be wiped off the face of the earth.

[C0pernicus]

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If it had been that simple, Ray, all military bases in Syria would have been bombed by US warplanes and cruiser missiles during this weekend. As they weren't, i.e. US (and most others) sees a point in not reacting disproportionally.

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I must have missed the news that syria (or even terrorists from syrian soil) lobbed missiles into manhattan.

I am pretty sure the US dropping 2 a-bombs on japan in WWII wasn't quite "proportionate."

Could you imagine america's response if hezbollah had the capability of sending missiles from lebanon that could land in america? The entire country of lebanon would have been carpet bombed by now.

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You may know soon if you are correct, since Lebanon claimed today to be close to a missile that could reach the East Coast of the US. (Delusional, imo, but hey, if they want to stick their necks out with such delusions, I say go for it).

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was that lebanon or iran? last i checked lebanon didn't have a missile that could reach southern lebanon.

Edited to say that you probably meant hezbollah, but i think that is all smoke and mirrors. Any arab nation that would launch a missile at america would be asking to be wiped off the face of the earth.

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my bad..yes, it was Iran, but since Iran has its own little Hezbollah scout troop Im sure they could earn a merit badge by sending one over.

[Cyrus]

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israel is stuck in between a bunch of countries that have an agenda to wipe it out.

[/ QUOTE ]I have all the episodes on video and trust me; Lebanon does not have "an agenda to wipe Israel out". Neither does Jordan. Neither does Egypt. With the possible excpetion of Syria, all the neighbors of Israel have accepted de facto Israel's presence and have other, much more pressing priorities, mostly social and economic.

If we can agree on this premise, we have to logically accept also that those neighboring countries are seeking a way to accomodate themselves with Israel without losing too much face.

But apparently until the state of Israel takes on a size that is "defensible" and "reasonable", which means all of the West Bank is annexed and its inhabitants get cleared off or confined to reservations, accomodation is not in the Israeli agenda.

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for israel to survive it cant just trade equal blows as they surely will end up the loser in that game.

[/ QUOTE ]We are not talking about attacks from sovereign nations here, nor attacks of any military significance. We are talking about individual and sporadic acts of terrorism, including (I agree) a few organised attacks by paramilitary units. Still, IMO Israel now responds disproportionately, as it had with Egypt in the 1950s, with Syria and Jordan in the 1960s, with Lebanon in the 1980s, etc, and causes death and mayhem among thousands of civilians.

BTW, you are making the assumption that Israel is the weaker party in this conflict, hence Israel will lose if it retaliates with only equal blows etc. But it is not. Israel is stronger militarily and by far than all its neighbors combined.

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sooner or later israel will win with help from outside its borders, or will get swallowed up and its people will immigrate to another place again.

[/ QUOTE ]The Jewish people abandoning Israel is not in the cards. It's not even in the damn cardroom.

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Cyrus,

Another nice attempt at misdirection by erecting an artificial distinction between Hezbollah and the state that they operate from when that state is unwilling or unable to stop them.

And as well attempting to maintain that territorial adjacentness is the standard for being surrounded, when it is actually being within missile range as well.