KQo in EP

[bernie]

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I'll cold call 2 bets with KQo if I have position.

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Good luck with that. Especially against EP raisers. You don't think there's a good chance you're dominated?

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If I've limped with it in EP, and it gets raised and re-raised, you can't cold call those 2 bets because there is a high chance that you're dominated by one of the two.


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The tougher one is raising in EP, then folding it when it comes back to you for 2 more bets.

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[jookiebrown]

I look at KQo AJo and KJs in EP as a fold unless I have decent reads accross the table. In the first three or four orbits at a table without at least sketchy reads on the players at the table I fold. I have a lot of confidence in my ability to let go of my hand or play well enough post flop to make me a winner.

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The tougher one is raising in EP, then folding it when it comes back to you for 2 more bets.


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This is what I was alluding to in my first reply on this thread. People on this site swear they fold if their EP raise with KQo gets re-raised behind them, but its largely an urban legend. They will call, and play the rest of the hand with a funny look on their face. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[SMACK BOOTY]

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If someone wants to isolate me when my bottom range of raising is AJo or KQo, good luck. People that do this tend to really pay off well when I do have a hand.

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Bernie my man, I find we all play well when we really have a hand. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] It's the 3/4ths of the time you don't have one that my TT's will give you gas with your raising range.
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Your problem likely lies in lack of postflop play with the hands. If someone is constantly isolating you, you adjust to them. It's not a good idea to isolate a 'thinking' TAG.

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Thank you for helping me identify my "problem", although that's not why I posted. And as my post stated, I did adjust; Instead of always raising pre flop, I started c/r more so when the flop hit with TPGK , it tends to be the best hand into unraised pots. I still trap weaker players for extra bets, as well as increase the amount of c/r I do over the course of an evening, which I feel is an excellent way to slow down overly aggressive players. I don't get stuck trying to figure out how to proceed with a group 4 hand (HEPAP)out of position with a raiser and potentially strong callers behind me.
Well, I'm done with this topic. As someone else stated, the volume of different opinions on this topic reflect the complexity of this situation.I think AJo and KQo are the AK's of the future. Whiffing with them after you have
bumped the pot raises some of the same questions, but the answers are more difficult because the hands are fundementaly weaker. Perhaps we can agree on that.

[cassady]

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The tougher one is raising in EP, then folding it when it comes back to you for 2 more bets.


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This is what I was alluding to in my first reply on this thread. People on this site swear they fold if their EP raise with KQo gets re-raised behind them, but its largely an urban legend. They will call, and play the rest of the hand with a funny look on their face. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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I made that exact fold awhile ago playing 4/8 live. The dealer who I'm friendly with (nice lady, not that good a player) says "what are you doing? i'll have to teach you how to play some day". she then peeks at my cards while mucking them (yeah, i know, a little dodgy). Flop came Q high, the action was heavy between the 3 better and the capper. 3 bettor had AQ, capper had KK. I would have been drawing dead. I turned to the dealer and said "how do you like the fold now".

It's nice to be right once in awhile.

[bernie]

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The tougher one is raising in EP, then folding it when it comes back to you for 2 more bets.


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This is what I was alluding to in my first reply on this thread. People on this site swear they fold if their EP raise with KQo gets re-raised behind them, but its largely an urban legend. They will call, and play the rest of the hand with a funny look on their face. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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You realize I was talking about not just a reraise behind you, but 2 reraises behind you, right?

I wouldn't fold to a single raise behind me.

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[bernie]

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Bernie my man, I find we all play well when we really have a hand. It's the 3/4ths of the time you don't have one that my TT's will give you gas with your raising range.


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Funny, many don't play well when they have a hand. People can and do actually screw up holding the nuts. Missing bets all over the place.

The thing is, you get to have fun trying to decipher whether I have any overcard that hits to your TT. As I mentioned, you'll likely be planning on calling down alot hoping to god I missed. Or betting when I check to you on a turn after I've hit.

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I don't get stuck trying to figure out how to proceed with a group 4 hand (HEPAP)out of position with a raiser and potentially strong callers behind me.

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You're likely giving those callers too much credit behind you.

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I think AJo and KQo are the AK's of the future. Whiffing with them after you have
bumped the pot raises some of the same questions, but the answers are more difficult because the hands are fundementaly weaker. Perhaps we can agree on that.

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It's all about how you play it postflop. Just study overcard play. Lots of stuff out there on it.

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