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[Hielko]

I don't like the preflop call. If you are playing against a very aggressive opponent I want a stronger hand.

1. You usually going to flop a very low pair, a flushdraw or absolutly nothing. Option:

a) You can't continue with noting
b) Continuing with a flushdraw HU sucks since the pot will be very small on the flop and it will happen quite often that you don't have pair outs.
c) A pair can be the best hand, but you can only flop very weak pairs.

2. He is going to bet/3bet with both stronger and weaker hands a lot, forcing you to continue with your hand. If he isn't a total maniac he could force you to pay him off more often when he has a better hand then when you have the best hand.

Why don't you tighten up a bit against a very aggressive opponent and make $$$ when you have a good hand?

[SixForty]

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(Keeping in mind that with his AX hand, you'll most likely win one extra bet from him, while with his flush hands, he's winning 2 extra bets from you)

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I guess the more I think about it, the more I realize that there's a good chance an opponent this aggressive may even take it to 4 bets with a worse hand often enough to sway this to a value 3bet. He truly is hyper-aggressive.

So I guess I'm not as against it as I originally thought. I'd put it close either way. The EV variance is probably very small, regardless of whether it is + or -.

(I wouldn't do it myself, but then again, we know that I'm weak on river value betting!)

[Bruce D]

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Im not quite sure what you mean! All im saying is that the pot size is irrelevant because if you have the best hand you can already scoop the pot with a call. If you 3 bet you are doing so to try and gain an extra bet. In that case you do have to hold the best hand over 50% of the time for it to be a value bet.

fellfold explained it better!

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Ok. I understand now. Thanks.

[five4suited]

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Why don't you tighten up a bit against a ridiculously aggressive opponent and make $$$ when you have a good hand?

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FYP

An AF of 4.2 is a joke. Also, OP makes excellent post-flop decisions while villain makes a very poor one: bet, and bet some more. If the flop comes down AQT rainbow you get away for 1 SB. When it comes down rags you have a villain who's willing to put multiple bets in on multiple streets with nothing.

Ballsy, beautiful 3-bet. Hopefully he showed you ace-broadway.

[Haupt_234]

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I think the only hands you're getting value from with that 3bet are overplayed overcards - AX.

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Then there is a lot of value there given the read on villan.


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So given the way that it was played, add in the fact that it looks like you hit trip 4s

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In no way did I play my hand like trip 4s until the river. If anything, my donk on the turn would look like an attempt to not give a free card out or because I didn't want to cap with top/middle pair. I really don't think I will get credit enough for trips, which is another reason why I donked.

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how likely is he to have an AX hand compared to how likely he has the flush?

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I expect him to have Ax a lot more than a flush, since he is so aggressive. Also, keep in mind that even if he wasn't so aggressive, the possibility of a flush is devalued since it is a HU blind steal situation.

Haupt_234

[Haupt_234]

Useless results:

Villan folded to my sexy 3banggggg.

Haupt_234

[SixForty]

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Useless results:

Villan folded to my sexy 3banggggg.

Haupt_234

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No result is useless! Just more information that you can have at your disposal when playing this opponent! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

This guy gets a "may like to bluff raise scare cards" note in my books.

[Hielko]

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Also, OP makes excellent post-flop decisions while villain makes a very poor one: bet, and bet some more. If the flop comes down AQT rainbow you get away for 1 SB. When it comes down rags you have a villain who's willing to put multiple bets in on multiple streets with nothing.

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How excellent is excellent? Why can't villain have K9/A9/A6/A4/TT/99/88/77 etc etc??

If the flop comes down AQT you have to fold, but who knows; villain is aggressive and could be stealing with a lot. That's also exactly the reason that a rainbow flop isn't really safe. I'm not sure if it's smart to defend with 74s against an very aggressive opponent.

[HoneyBadger]

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Useless results:

Villan folded to my sexy 3banggggg.

Haupt_234

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So in this specific case your 3-bet was wrong. There is absolutely no point in raising an opponent who is either bluffing, or has a better hand; ie. he is on the two far ends of the spectrum. He will either fold a hand you'd beat, or reraise a hand that beats you: -EV on the raise.

But... I don't think that was the general case here. He might bluff on the flush scare card, in which case you should've just called. What makes this different from the above situation is that he likely has either top pair, or possibly top two pair. There are many hands he will call your 3-bet with that you beat. This is a good thing.

(Also, I don't agree with villain automatically being a "bad" player, and making bad moves. You don't know his hand, if he had K9 with the king of spades it's a perfectly sane play. That's just one of possible hands he could have. Let's not glorify haupt, with respect, he only had bottom pair with a weak kicker; that 4 on the turn was very very lucky.)

[Haupt_234]

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Let's not glorify haupt, with respect, he only had bottom pair with a weak kicker; that 4 on the turn was very very lucky.

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I am almost positive I had him on the flop, turn, and river. Yes, I had bottom pair with a weak kicker. But folding the flop would have been dumb and I think I played the hand best I could against this type of player (and I am usually not one to say this).

I still stand by my river 3bet, as well.

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