my version of ray zee's "the different stages in a player's life"

[The DaveR]

OOT is a step in there somewhere.

So is playing 10/20 at the Trop and bringing your g'friend to tears.

[Vehn]

there is also an alternate stage 6 where you dislike poker immensely and play only the minimum hours to keep yourself alive and therefore wind up playing the same stakes for 3 years and spend the rest of your time on oot.

[The DaveR]

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Looks pretty good except that I skipped stage 4.

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Seriously. Let's go back to stage 3 and try again.

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you're lucky evan. you ran bad enough that you got discouraged and went the job route. i'd trade places with you right now in a heartbeat. you stalled in stage 3 but you can choose to keep going if you wish

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Hi Josh. If you want, I have a job for you in Cleveland in like two months. Maybe one in NY, but that means you have to help me find a job in NY.

[Grisgra]

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The bitch is if you are making a 'mere' $200/hr or so. It's high enough that you know that IF YOU COULD SUSTAIN IT, playing a TON will get you to early retirement in 5 years

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The New Yorker in me is LMAO at this prospect. Even if you ran that well for 5 years you would have made enough money to be not terribly well off. Retirement? Fuhgedaboudit.

Of course, in other non-absurd cities, your mileage will vary greatly.

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Meh . . . if you played 50 hours a week making $200/hr, you'd make 10k a week. Over five years you'd make 2.5 million. After taxes, 1.5 million.

If you can't figure out a way to psuedo-retire on 1.5 million, even living in NYC . . . well, I envy your lifestyle, but you're not really trying very hard, are you?

(Note that I'm assuming you'll still have SOME sort of poker-or-other income after retirement, but you won't be grinding it out the way you were before. For absolute full kick-back-and-relax-and-never-get-your-aces-cracked retirement, 1.5 million isn't going to cut it.)

I mean, I have to believe that there are places in NYC where you could by a reasonable home for 600-700k, no?

[Nate tha\\\' Great]

Fck, now I feel guilty and might have to play this afternoon.

[bicyclekick]

While I don't find playing poker all that fun (but still sorta fun sometimes), I surely don't despise it and hate it. I mean, when I drop 85 bets in the first 200 hands I play in a day, I quit cause I'm not enjoying myself and my image sucks but on the more normal days it's no big deal. Grind grind grind. Money comes in eventually. It's not 'fun' so much as it is 'decent' and doing many other jobs would be much less 'decent' for much less money. Dropping down in stakes for a good while really improved my mentality towards the game. Actually the more I think about it it can still be fun sometimes. Or maybe I've just trained myself to think that so I can get hands in.

I really feel like I'm one fo the only people who doesn't have problems getting hands in. All my friends except 1 play so much less than I do and feel the same way as you do josh. I don't understand why so many "successful' players on here struggle so much. You must all be at a higher level of intelligence and just not satisfied with how relatively mundane poker often is. Either that or I just like/want money more than you guys.

[kahntrutahn]

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I mean, when I drop 85 bets in the first 200 hands I play in a day, I quit cause I'm not enjoying myself and my image sucks

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I realize who I'm talking to here... but I stick around on these days because now that my image sucks, I KNOW I'm getting paid off when the cards actually come around and I make a friggin' hand...

[The Bryce]

I think steps 5-7 can be summarized as "Player neglects to achieve balance and [censored] himself." You can ruin anything with OCD behavior. Those "steps" are strictly compulsory. Now that you've gone fishing for empathy, take a vacation or do something that's going to improve your quality of life.

You make a wicked income working short hours. If you can't find a way to enjoy that I wouldn't be so quick to blame the source of income.

[Stinkybeaver]

Don't know about the US, bu It's not like there an assload of 200$/hour jobs out there.?

Also this would be an achievement on your own where you decide when and where to play, not some wicked boos of yours.

So more freedom to ya if you can handle it when playing poker I know I still let it affect me and try to hard to get in a load of hands all the time while having a fulltime job and a social life aswell.

Obviosuly I'm at 3 aiming at 4 soon. But I'd bet ya that I can get over the mentally aspect if I can get it to 100$/hour I'm fine.

[bicyclekick]

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I mean, when I drop 85 bets in the first 200 hands I play in a day, I quit cause I'm not enjoying myself and my image sucks

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I realize who I'm talking to here... but I stick around on these days because now that my image sucks, I KNOW I'm getting paid off when the cards actually come around and I make a friggin' hand...

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Perhaps a difference in style and who we're often playing against makes the difference in what image we want.

I often play heads-up and lots of 3 handed to 5 handed and I play pretty darn loose and decently aggressive (but not like aggression rating wise, i'm only like 1.7 aggression on pt) and as I'm sure you know, you don't have stuff more often than you have stuff, so I want those pots and I want that bluffing equity and I want people to be scared of putting bets in, not "oh he is really weak why don't i just try a river raise here". It really makes a big big deal in very short play. When I'm running hot I play very long sessions often because the players I'm playing with are losing and in a worse mental state than usual and I'm sure it really gives me a much bigger edge as they just play much more defensively and then put in aggression in the wrong spots cause they're frustrated.