Fossilman continues to get respect

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I'm really not a good enough (MTT) player to give a constructive opinion wether he has real playing ability or not but it seems he's not doing too shabby.

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Fossilman typically played the Foxwoods games from about 30/60 to 300/600--before he won. It would be a lot more accurate to describe him as a semi-pro than an amateur.

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300-600? Really? From what I've heard about his prior bamkroll situation, I find this HIGHLY doubtful pre WSOP win. I think I heard 50-100. 300-600 takes a 200k roll to play near right, he didn't have it, and was smart enough to not play that deep over his head.

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I believe Greg played higher when he lived in southern cal before moving to CT.

[Greg (FossilMan)]

Just for the record.

When I moved to CT in 1998, I generally played 20-40 holdem and tournaments. I started winning good money in the tourneys right away, and moved up a bit, but there wasn't often a game above 20-40 other than the big mixed game, which was anything from 75-150 to 150-300. I played in that game when it looked good. I once did play in it when it was 300-600, even though doing so was a huge fraction of my bankroll. Fortunately, I won 12K that session.

In 2002 I took a big hit to my bankroll at the WSOP, and that is when I took on backers. I did so in order to continue playing in the big mixed game, and to be able to afford 10K buyin events at the WSOP and Foxwoods. In a 1.5 year period, the backers made about 20% on their investment. Then, with the WSOP win, they made about 7000%.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

[MCS]

It's surprising to me that you had backers for a cash game partially because I know you have a policy against loaning money in a cardroom. Does this policy not extend to borrowing? Or does it not extend to borrowing money for poker OUTSIDE of the cardroom? ("Outside" meaning "from sources with whom you have at least some interactions outside of the cardroom.") Or is it relatively new?

[Daliman]

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Just for the record.

When I moved to CT in 1998, I generally played 20-40 holdem and tournaments. I started winning good money in the tourneys right away, and moved up a bit, but there wasn't often a game above 20-40 other than the big mixed game, which was anything from 75-150 to 150-300. I played in that game when it looked good. I once did play in it when it was 300-600, even though doing so was a huge fraction of my bankroll. Fortunately, I won 12K that session.

In 2002 I took a big hit to my bankroll at the WSOP, and that is when I took on backers. I did so in order to continue playing in the big mixed game, and to be able to afford 10K buyin events at the WSOP and Foxwoods. In a 1.5 year period, the backers made about 20% on their investment. Then, with the WSOP win, they made about 7000%.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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Bah. Only 7000%? I pass. Ya skinflint.

[Daliman]

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It's surprising to me that you had backers for a cash game partially because I know you have a policy against loaning money in a cardroom. Does this policy not extend to borrowing? Or does it not extend to borrowing money for poker OUTSIDE of the cardroom? ("Outside" meaning "from sources with whom you have at least some interactions outside of the cardroom.") Or is it relatively new?

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Big difference between backing and loaning.

[henrikrh]

It really doesn't matter how many uninformed publications and jealous OPs talk smack about Raymer or call him lucky he has already earned respect from poker's elite. Ivey, who is probably the most respected cash game player in the world said something along the lines of "He is an incredible tournament player, almost impossible to play against because he makes so few mistakes."

I'm sure the OP will shut us all up when he outplays Raymer and wins the 2006 ME, right?

[Quicksilvre]

I think Easy E was being sarcastic with his last statement.

[Easy E]

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More and more I realize how lucky Greg must have been to win in, being an average schmoe like everyone else playing... Fossilman, when you get some real playing ability, do make sure to let everyone know. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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i think it should be noted rosenbloom didnt say this, rather the OP did. So while rosenbloom surely deserves bashing, it shouldnt be for this comment.

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Go back and read the blue section again, then come back and say again that my "exaggeration" was only my words.... unless your definition of "anyone" is a lot higher than average.

[MEbenhoe]

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More and more I realize how lucky Greg must have been to win in, being an average schmoe like everyone else playing... Fossilman, when you get some real playing ability, do make sure to let everyone know. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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i think it should be noted rosenbloom didnt say this, rather the OP did. So while rosenbloom surely deserves bashing, it shouldnt be for this comment.

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Go back and read the blue section again, then come back and say again that my "exaggeration" was only my words.... unless your definition of "anyone" is a lot higher than average.

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Its pretty obvious to anyone with any reading comprehension ability at all that in that article he was speaking of public perception of Raymer. And the public perception of Raymer is that he is just anyone, as he's not one of the "poker stars" that are on tv all the time. Most people think Raymer got lucky to win that tournament, but you make it seem like Rosenbloom took a shot at Raymer's ability, when he certainly didn't.

[restrikt]

I'm going to win the WSOP in 4 years, and then Steve can talk about me in his blog. Except, he'll be talking about how great I played.