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05-05-2006, 03:19 PM
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Re: UFC 61: Gracie v Hughes, whats your prediction
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BCPVP, None of the UFC fighters can wear gis anymore. Someone with more knowledge about the sport can chime in here, but its been shorts only for the past couple years, perhaps more. Its not a rule put in specifically for this fight, or anything. Historians wanna chime in as to why? yasher [/ QUOTE ] Like I said, it's probably because you can use it to choke people. So if the other guy isn't wearing a gi, he's at a disadvantage. That's how Royce beat Shamrock the first time, and he tried using an Ezekiel choke in their second fight, I believe. I remember reading (or watching) Royce explain why he wears the gi and part of it was that it soaks up some of the other guy's sweat and makes him a little easier to hang on to and part of it was that the other guy likes to grab it and if he's grabbing on to the gi, he's not punching Royce in the face. And then of course you can choke people with it. 
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05-05-2006, 03:22 PM
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Re: UFC 61: Gracie v Hughes, whats your prediction
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[ QUOTE ] BCPVP, None of the UFC fighters can wear gis anymore. Someone with more knowledge about the sport can chime in here, but its been shorts only for the past couple years, perhaps more. Its not a rule put in specifically for this fight, or anything. Historians wanna chime in as to why? yasher [/ QUOTE ] Like I said, it's probably because you can use it to choke people. So if the other guy isn't wearing a gi, he's at a disadvantage. That's how Royce beat Shamrock the first time, and he tried using an Ezekiel choke in their second fight, I believe. I remember reading (or watching) Royce explain why he wears the gi and part of it was that it soaks up some of the other guy's sweat and makes him a little easier to hang on to and part of it was that the other guy likes to grab it and if he's grabbing on to the gi, he's not punching Royce in the face. And then of course you can choke people with it. [/ QUOTE ] In Gracie's case the gi is a definite advantage but not for everyone. Because you can get choked out with your own gi too. Everytime I roll with someone who wears a gi I'll first pull his gi over his face to disorient and disrupt breathing, then i'll try to use his collar to choke him out with his own gi.
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05-05-2006, 03:29 PM
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Re: UFC 61: Gracie v Hughes, whats your prediction
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] BCPVP, None of the UFC fighters can wear gis anymore. Someone with more knowledge about the sport can chime in here, but its been shorts only for the past couple years, perhaps more. Its not a rule put in specifically for this fight, or anything. Historians wanna chime in as to why? yasher [/ QUOTE ] Like I said, it's probably because you can use it to choke people. So if the other guy isn't wearing a gi, he's at a disadvantage. That's how Royce beat Shamrock the first time, and he tried using an Ezekiel choke in their second fight, I believe. I remember reading (or watching) Royce explain why he wears the gi and part of it was that it soaks up some of the other guy's sweat and makes him a little easier to hang on to and part of it was that the other guy likes to grab it and if he's grabbing on to the gi, he's not punching Royce in the face. And then of course you can choke people with it. [/ QUOTE ] In Gracie's case the gi is a definite advantage but not for everyone. Because you can get choked out with your own gi too. Everytime I roll with someone who wears a gi I'll first pull his gi over his face to disorient and disrupt breathing, then i'll try to use his collar to choke him out with his own gi. [/ QUOTE ] I think it's a reasonable assumption that Hughes is not technical enough to pull off a gi choke on a bjj black belt.
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05-05-2006, 03:36 PM
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Re: UFC 61: Gracie v Hughes, whats your prediction
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In Gracie's case the gi is a definite advantage but not for everyone. Because you can get choked out with your own gi too. Everytime I roll with someone who wears a gi I'll first pull his gi over his face to disorient and disrupt breathing, then i'll try to use his collar to choke him out with his own gi. [/ QUOTE ] I think it's a reasonable assumption that Hughes is not technical enough to pull off a gi choke on a bjj black belt. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure...I never thought much of Hughes' ground game, except ground n pound, especially considering when he made that horrible rookie mistake against BJ Penn and got choked out. But when I saw his single motion super fast arm-bar on St. Pierre I was very very impressed. St. Pierre is pretty good on the ground and didn't even see it coming.
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05-05-2006, 03:36 PM
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Re: UFC 61: Gracie v Hughes, whats your prediction
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The only way Royce wins is if he is allowed to wear his gi and use it to choke Hughes out. God Gracie is a little bitch. [/ QUOTE ] Speaking of bitches...you sound like one.
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05-05-2006, 03:45 PM
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Re: UFC 61: Gracie v Hughes, whats your prediction
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[ QUOTE ] In Gracie's case the gi is a definite advantage but not for everyone. Because you can get choked out with your own gi too. Everytime I roll with someone who wears a gi I'll first pull his gi over his face to disorient and disrupt breathing, then i'll try to use his collar to choke him out with his own gi. [/ QUOTE ] I think it's a reasonable assumption that Hughes is not technical enough to pull off a gi choke on a bjj black belt. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure...I never thought much of Hughes' ground game, except ground n pound, especially considering when he made that horrible rookie mistake against BJ Penn and got choked out. But when I saw his single motion super fast arm-bar on St. Pierre I was very very impressed. St. Pierre is pretty good on the ground and didn't even see it coming. [/ QUOTE ] I think he probably was surprised that Hughes pulled it off too, but gi chokes are stuff you've got to train and I doubt Hughes does much training against people with gi's. Royce is like a 6th or 7th degree black belt. I think he can probably defend against an attempted gi choke. I feel weird defending Royce since I'm not real big fans of that family. Too many of them have chips on their shoulder and think they're so badass.
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#28
05-05-2006, 03:46 PM
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Re: UFC 61: Gracie v Hughes, whats your prediction
I think Hughes by decision in a reasonably slow/boring fight. Hughes won't want to go to the ground, and Gracie will be trying to keep the distance close to not get hit. End result, lots of slow clinches of Gracie trying to take down a top-level wrestler.
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#29
05-05-2006, 03:52 PM
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Re: UFC 61: Gracie v Hughes, whats your prediction
I think this might be similar to the diego/diaz fight where the stronger fighter is on top and clearly dominant through out the fight, but the guy on the bottom is too technically proficient to actually get submitted or knocked out. Thus it goes to a decisioin.
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#30
05-05-2006, 03:53 PM
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Re: UFC 61: Gracie v Hughes, whats your prediction
Hughes will win. But it's not as one sided as people think. Gracie will never submit to anything (the Gracies can take a lot of pain. Remember Renzo getting his elbow dislocated and not even noticing? Or Royler getting his arm wrapped all around him and not submitting? Or Helio getting his arm broken and not submitting? Or even Royce preferring getting choked out to submitting (against Wallid)?) And he has a pretty good chin. Hughes by decision.
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