Official JUNE uNL **'`MICROBREW THREAD`'** LC/NC this way...

[Vyse]

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Vyse, did u tighten up at all?

that graph is incredibly gross

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Yeah. I'm running 18/16/ this month when I'm usually 21/18, and have been running even tighter in my last 8k hands or so.

Yeah, I'm Vyse0wnzj00 on FT, kind of hard to miss me.

[shoxbb6]

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $7.85
Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $102.05
CO: $10.95
BTN: $9.85

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises all-in to $10.95</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls all-in for $9.90
Uncalled bet of $0.95 returned to CO

Flop: ($20.05) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Turn: ($20.05) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($20.05) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $20.05 ($1 Rake)

CO had 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Sixes) and LOST (-$10.00)
Hero had Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, Jacks and Sixes) and WON (+$9.05)

[Triggerle]

I'm running 19/16 when the cards don't fall my way, too, and 21+/18 when they do.

The ssnl player who I talk to from time to time insists that these two are related the other way around. I made a post a while ago a few pages back about the dynamics of a downswing.

I'm now pretty sure my 17 buy-in downswing would not have had to be this severe if I wouldn't have fallen back on a tight ABC poker game.

I've thought a lot after that and I have come to the conclusion that ABC poker (don't overplay 1-pair type of hands, don't bluff, etc.) is still a profitable way of approaching the game but it is much too much depending on the cards you get and the hands you make. If you think in terms of game theory your ABC poker is not an easily exploitable stragtegy because you get on avergage just enough good hands to balance for the times you cbet without one.

Notice how the cards are in that equation? You need to get them out of it and you'll be ready for NL200+.

So how do you do it? I'm going to start trying to think like this about the game a bit more and focus on identifying profitable situations rather than just outs to make my hand. These include many more situations that don't go to showdown than situations that do so the hole cards will have to lose some relevance.

It will be a tough step to take but I'd rather get on the right track now than luckbox my way into NL100 with a good ABC poker run and then don't know what to do.

[kabouter]

Hmm now that I'm playing on ipoker, I've got a whole new problem:

People that buy in for 10xbb and shove whenever they hold something like 88-AA AT-AK KQ, and leave when they double up.

It's so annoying because you become afraid to raise pf with small pocket pairs/suited connectors, because the shortstack idiot might go allin. It totally ruins my flow, why can't they up the buyin to something like 50xbb [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[Genz]

A general announcement and reality check considering the stream of constant whining here, which is a little annoying over time.

If you want to fall back on a tight ABC poker game, you should move to FR in order to succeed with a good winrate, imo.
There are a few "truths" about 6max that were/are universally known in the limit poker world that seem not to be known in NL at all, although they are game unspecific. I.e. most uNL players think, that there is no real difference in play between 6max and FR, meaning, that you should wait for 2pairs or sets and get them paid off. That is not true. That doesn't work. The truths are:

a) You need to win with weaker hands. It's crucial that you are able to extract from marginal holdings as bad as A hi.
b) Variance on 6max is WAY higher.

These "truths" need to be adjusted to NL a little, obv. But the general idea stays the same, imo.

BTW: In 6max limit, it is normal to have a 150-200 BB (big bet) downswing as a matter of pure variance. Since it is considered a good (but pretty conservative) bankroll strategy to have about 500 BBs for a limit on 6max (i.e. 1K for 1/2 FL 6max), you see that we are talking about losing 1/3 of your roll to pure variance. That is absolute common wisdom there. But here on uNL, 80% of the people do not seem to realize the big differences between FR and SH. If you want to get out of the swings for a while try FR. You can nit it up and get paid off, and you can play it 6max if it is folded to you in MP2, beating up the nitty and scared FR players.

Don't play 6max if you can't handle the swings.

[jonyy6788]

sooooooooooooooo true, we have mother [censored] bankrolls for a reason

[Vyse]

lol @ how bad 10 NL is. I'm 12 tabling, knowing I can dominate this level in my sleep and want as many tables as possible for more rake / $/hr, and I'm just apalled at how easy it is. They play like this:

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $20.70
BB: $10.00
UTG: $15.05
BTN: $2.85

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
UTG calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.70</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $0.60, BTN folds

Flop: ($1.60) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $1.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $2.00</font>, Hero calls $1.00

Turn: ($5.60) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $7.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $18.00</font>, UTG calls all-in for $5.35
Uncalled bet of $5.65 returned to Hero

River: ($30.30) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $30.30 ($1 Rake)

UTG had 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, Queens and Nines) and LOST (-$15.05)
Hero had K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Queens) and WON (+$14.25)

[derosnec]

ok i read that thread in MTT and see a bunch of people raving about it.

i didn't get anything out of it. it's basically put someone on range and find way best way to extract. nothing groundbreaking.

edit: let me elaborate

there are two strategies a person can take in poker: exploitable and game theory

at uNL, it's all about exploitable, because our opponents play so obviously most of the time

you raise, bet flush draw flop, bet turn, flush draw complets on river. opponent leads out big. easy fold. this is a flush 95% of the time. exploitable

you raise with KK, flop is JJ2r, you bet, opponent minraises. this is trips a huge % of the time. exploitable.

you raise, flop a set, bet flop, bet turn, river makes four to a straight. opponent pushes river. this is a straight 95% of the time. exploitable.

you raise. flop is flush draw. opponent open pushes. easy call with a made hand that is ahead of FD+2 overs. exploitable.

you raise with AQ. flop is 96Q. you get c/r'd. easy 3-bet. opponents put us on an A or K. exploitable.

and so on.

[Jzo19]

move up .now that your running good , obv

i think thats a marginal raise OOP..even at 10nl..im a nit BTW ...

[Triggerle]

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ok i read that thread in MTT and see a bunch of people raving about it.

i didn't get anything out of it. it's basically put someone on range and find way best way to extract. nothing groundbreaking.

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It is groundbreaking for people who think in terms of "when will I hit my next set", for example me.