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#281
07-27-2007, 01:10 PM
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Re: Cheating in Online Poker
1. I had no idea anyone would think it was Clayton. I didn't know he uses many accounts, as apparently the rest of the universe does, and the only person that I thought would know was him, oh and the person who provided me the information. So my intentions were not to brag or out Clayton, they were to set an example that information about people who are possibly cheating should be forwarded to the sites.
2. I had said all along, and I said in the email to Stars, that I do not know whether Clayton cheated. All I know is that having many accounts in this day and age is extremely suspicious. I do not know Clayton, and have no reason to believe he either IS or is NOT cheating. All I know is that he had many accounts. 3. I do not equate ToS violations to cheating. Ii do think that ToS violations that given the appearance of cheating need to be reported. 4. Clayton may be a nice, honest guy, I have no idea. But it is not the smartest thing in the world if he didn't see this day coming. 
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#282
07-27-2007, 01:11 PM
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Re: Cheating in Online Poker
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[ QUOTE ] Like I said, LOL at Adanthar above anyone else since he started this with his dramabomb in ActionJeff's post, but now is SHOCKED that people actually have reason to be concerned over someone that has at least 6-8 ACCOUNTS ON ONE SITE. [/ QUOTE ] BECAUSE IF HE'S NOT CHEATING WITH THOSE ACCOUNTS THEN IT DOESN'T EFFECT YOU THATS WHY ITS A SURPRISE. You're not even reporting him for cheating are you? Just for having multiple accounts? Breaking the TOS in itself is not cheating, you've equated the two as equals which helps nothing except further your self righteous agenda. [/ QUOTE ] Kleath, You are missing the point. Having multiple accounts is an 'enabler' in a sense. Nothing should happen to Clayton, but the mere fact he had so many accounts is at the very least reason to look into things. If everything is on the up and up then so be it. There is a reason why people are getting so mad at others for not stepping forward with information when then have it. If you dont you are, pardon how crass this is, a big pussy. Instead of saving your internet gal pals you should save the game that has been your cash cow.
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#283
07-27-2007, 01:11 PM
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Re: Cheating in Online Poker
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[ QUOTE ] Are you serious? Do you know why sites have affiliate programs? They use rakeback to attract new customers, which is why existing customers aren't allowed to get it. Creating a new account to subvert this policy is stealing from the site. Now maybe you are OK with that, but it's very clearly stealing. [/ QUOTE ] what the hell are you talking about [/ QUOTE ] this seems pretty straightforward and obvious to me...
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#284
07-27-2007, 01:12 PM
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Re: Cheating in Online Poker
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kleath going to word this as nicely as possibly seriously leave this thread for those in the cliques because they know whats really going on. No where were they compared to equal not 1 person in this thread will say clayton did something on the same level as JJ/ZJ we all are smarter then that to be able to classify how bad of an infraction it was. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry I respectfully disagree with that, the cliques certainly have more info than me and a more direct vested interest, but these are completely public forums that anyone with an internet connection can read, if people happen upon 2p2 and read this and then stop playing online, I'm hurt as much as any of you you because surprisingly enough there are more fish playing low buyins then there are playing big ones. Also he didn't PM this around, he didn't put this on IRC or AIM or something again this is a public forum where public statements are being made, sorry if you don't care for my comments but I'm not going to stay out of it only because you don't think I belong.
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#285
07-27-2007, 01:12 PM
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Re: Cheating in Online Poker
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[ QUOTE ] kleath going to word this as nicely as possibly seriously leave this thread for those in the cliques because they know whats really going on. No where were they compared to equal not 1 person in this thread will say clayton did something on the same level as JJ/ZJ we all are smarter then that to be able to classify how bad of an infraction it was. [/ QUOTE ] I think this statement is completely wrong. I've been playing online poker seriously for over 3 years, I've never been part of the high stakes MTT "clique". However, I still have an opinion on multiaccounting as do all other players. They should have every right to voice their opinion here. We need this issue brought to all players, not just the MTT clique, because for the past few months only the MTT clique has known about the prevalance of this problem, and haven't made much progress at all toward stopping it. [/ QUOTE ] yah you can have your opinions but they are more based on hearsay and your own inferences while most of those around each other have heard and seen a lot more and been asked to buy stacks sell stacks etc. And many other grey area things that go on daily esp on sundays.
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#286
07-27-2007, 01:15 PM
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Re: Cheating in Online Poker
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1. I had no idea anyone would think it was Clayton. I didn't know he uses many accounts, as apparently the rest of the universe does, and the only person that I thought would know was him, oh and the person who provided me the information. So my intentions were not to brag or out Clayton, they were to set an example that information about people who are possibly cheating should be forwarded to the sites. [/ QUOTE ] Really? I thought your intentions were to call out, out, and catch the blatant MTT multi-accounters. [ QUOTE ] 2. I had said all along, and I said in the email to Stars, that I do not know whether Clayton cheated. All I know is that having many accounts in this day and age is extremely suspicious. I do not know Clayton, and have no reason to believe he either IS or is NOT cheating. All I know is that he had many accounts. [/ QUOTE ] Oh, cool, so now we have decided to make this thread about someone who "may or may not be cheating". [ QUOTE ] 4. Clayton may be a nice, honest guy, I have no idea. But it is not the smartest thing in the world if he didn't see this day coming. [/ QUOTE ] This is clearly the thread and the manner in which Clayton should have been turned in and villified /sarcasm
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#290
07-27-2007, 01:20 PM
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Re: Cheating in Online Poker
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Why are you so vehemently opposed to cleaning up online poker? I think everyone agrees that having multiple accounts is against the rules of the various sites. If he didn’t use them to multi account then I agree it is not as bad as what others are supposedly doing. However that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be reported. You shouldn’t be allowed to pick and choose which rules you abide by and which ones you don’t. [/ QUOTE ] I'm all for cleaning up people actually cheating, if Clayton was cheating then fantastic, someone got outted. Certainly doesn't seem like he was though and doesn't even seem like UCLA thought he was, seemed more like "he's violating the TOS so I'm going to report him and tell the internet what great work Ive done!" I think the focus should be on finding cheats not TOS violators.
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