ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[Brando]

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Yes, you would only have stolen $10 and the lotto winnings would indeed be yours to keep. Thats the way our legal system works- You would be charged with stealing $10 and no more.

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I'm not so sure of that. If you buy something with stolen money, that something is yours?

That doesn't make sense, and it's hard to believe that would be law.

[roundmound]

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Yes, you would only have stolen $10 and the lotto winnings would indeed be yours to keep. Thats the way our legal system works- You would be charged with stealing $10 and no more.

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I'm not so sure of that. If you buy something with stolen money, that something is yours?

That doesn't make sense, and it's hard to believe that would be law.

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You would not get to keep the lotto ticket and or winnings. Property bought with stolen money will be seized by the state. The victim would get their 10 bucks back and the state would keep the lotto winnings. Just like if I steal 200 and buy a bike, the bike would get seized. If they get 300 for the bike at auction, I don't get to keep the 100.

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If this has been posted then I am just agreeing.

It seems from the random posts that I have read on this thread most don't believe enough action was taken. What was done was appropriate, and done in a way that benfits all the players. If PS confiscated the funds that were not obtained by proven "cheating" then there would be no line drawn. Who is to say that a player can't accuse any of you for "cheating" causing PS to confiscate your cash. Enough was done with enough publicity to deter most from doing it again. If the penalty of total cash confiscation was enforced there would be no added deterent because players would just cash out until doing it again.

[Indiana]

Has it already been posted that both Zee and Giga have been removed from the stars TLB?

Indy

[Brando]

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You would not get to keep the lotto ticket and or winnings. Property bought with stolen money will be seized by the state. The victim would get their 10 bucks back and the state would keep the lotto winnings. Just like if I steal 200 and buy a bike, the bike would get seized. If they get 300 for the bike at auction, I don't get to keep the 100.

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Yes, that's where I'm coming from.

Money won while multi-accounting is stolen money. Everything won after the first instance of cheating is won with, at least a portion, stolen money.

I don't know why people think "just the 5k" should be witheld.

[sarahbellum]

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Has it already been posted that both Zee and Giga have been removed from the stars TLB?

Indy

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Did I miss something? Why was Giga removed from the TLB?

[BassMasterK]

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Yes, you would only have stolen $10 and the lotto winnings would indeed be yours to keep. Thats the way our legal system works- You would be charged with stealing $10 and no more.

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This is not true, at least not in my state. Someone brought this up earlier. There was a woman in my state who bought lottery tickets with her dead mother in laws credit card. The ticket hit either 100k or 1 mil, I can't remember which. She was arrested and had to forfiet the winnings.

[BassMasterK]

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lol, nh.

I just don't understand why a player who is revered to be *that good* has to resort to cheating - it just doesn't add up, and I'm sure some can understand the skepticism regarding his touted skills.

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You have a right to be skeptical. I guess I can't blame you for that. But I think his posts on poker speak for themselves. They have been well written and well reasoned out. Many of the top player/posters here agree with that. I do too. Please read them all over and if you find faults with them, post them in the relevant discussions. I think you will be hard pressed to find many errors.

He didn't have to resort to cheating. It was a lapse in judgement. I know I had them when I was his age. I think this is kind of typical of kids his age. They often want success really quickly so they push it a little.

Also it has come out in this post that *many* other top players did the same thing, it's just they haven't been caught yet. (And probably won't now.) (and some quite a bit older then Zee.)

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First off, some of those cheaters could be caught. They could be caught if ZJ did the right thing and turned in other players who he knows were cheating us honest players online. It would be a nice first step.

[soah]

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Yes, you would only have stolen $10 and the lotto winnings would indeed be yours to keep. Thats the way our legal system works- You would be charged with stealing $10 and no more.

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This is not true, at least not in my state. Someone brought this up earlier. There was a woman in my state who bought lottery tickets with her dead mother in laws credit card. The ticket hit either 100k or 1 mil, I can't remember which. She was arrested and had to forfiet the winnings.

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This would be a lot different than if you stole $100 in cash, put it in your wallet which already had $1500 in it, and then later purchased some lottery tickets. Your example combines the theft and the purchase into the same event rather than two unrelated events.

When growing up I would get cash on my birthday or for Christmas from some of my relatives some years. Sometimes they would later ask me what I bought with that money. I never really knew what to tell them. When I get money it all gets lumped together. When I buy something I do not try to determine whether the money I'm spending is the money that Y gave me, or the money that Z gave me, or the money I got from mowing the lawn on July 14, or my allowance from two weeks ago. It's just money. (On the other hand, if they give me a gift card, then I know exactly what I purchased with their money.)

[roundmound]

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Yes, you would only have stolen $10 and the lotto winnings would indeed be yours to keep. Thats the way our legal system works- You would be charged with stealing $10 and no more.

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This is not true, at least not in my state. Someone brought this up earlier. There was a woman in my state who bought lottery tickets with her dead mother in laws credit card. The ticket hit either 100k or 1 mil, I can't remember which. She was arrested and had to forfiet the winnings.

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This would be a lot different than if you stole $100 in cash, put it in your wallet which already had $1500 in it, and then later purchased some lottery tickets. Your example combines the theft and the purchase into the same event rather than two unrelated events.

When growing up I would get cash on my birthday or for Christmas from some of my relatives some years. Sometimes they would later ask me what I bought with that money. I never really knew what to tell them. When I get money it all gets lumped together. When I buy something I do not try to determine whether the money I'm spending is the money that Y gave me, or the money that Z gave me, or the money I got from mowing the lawn on July 14, or my allowance from two weeks ago. It's just money. (On the other hand, if they give me a gift card, then I know exactly what I purchased with their money.)

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It doesn't matter on the percentage of tickets bought with stolen moeny, if a single cent of stolen money is used, that property will be seized.