ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[Brando]

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Hi folks -

As regards ZeeJustin...

1. He had a single extra PokerStars account which he rarely used.

2. His big tournament win on PokerStars was legitimate (we checked it carefully). The amount of money that we ascribed to illicit play was relatively small (less than $5K), and we confiscated that entire amount. We permitted him to cash out the balance over that.



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I'm only on page 220(!) or so of this monstrous thread, so I'm sorry if this has been responded too in this way already.

I think this is terrible, Lee. All funds AFTER the first instance of cheating should have been siezed.

Think of it this way, I deposit 55 bucks into stars, put 5 horses in a little 10 dollar MTT. I end up dumping/colluding/cheating my way to the victory for 1800 or so. I then enter a big weekly for 530, with only one account, and win it on the up and up... and pocket 160k or whatever.

If my previous cheating were caught, you'd only take 1800 out of my account and let me cash the rest?

Absurd... the second, "Legit" win wouldn't be legit at all. The entry fee was paid with OTHER PEOPLES MONEY, that I gained through illicit means. Every cent gained AFTER money is made by way of cheating, is tainted.

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[Lord Scythe]

Sad thing is they are only catching the players who have no clue about the internet or security on these sites. What is gonna happen when the cheaters grab a clue and do research?

These guys are playing from one PC with one MAC address and one IP. Super easy to catch and very sad that it took complaints from players to catch it. Auto security should have automatically caught these players.

How about those guys using a seperate PC (MAC address) for each account and buying seperate IP's. Even buying a PC per account is not unresonable considering the ammount of money these guys are taking in. Not to mention not always playing all the accounts in all the same tournies.

Hate to break the news to those who figure this will break cheating wide open. Those who are smart are gonna get away with it. All we can do is report the suspicious activity and hope that the sites themselves are smart enough to check on more than just the same IP's and Mac addresses.

[Steam Donkey]

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P.S. If Indy had only started that discussion here, the longest thread record would have been guaranteed -- although I'm sure OOT would have rallied and recaptured the title.

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Wrong. Indiana started a separate thread which was moved, it was never part of this thread.

[August West]

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Hi folks -

As regards ZeeJustin...

1. He had a single extra PokerStars account which he rarely used.

2. His big tournament win on PokerStars was legitimate (we checked it carefully). The amount of money that we ascribed to illicit play was relatively small (less than $5K), and we confiscated that entire amount. We permitted him to cash out the balance over that.



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I'm only on page 220(!) or so of this monstrous thread, so I'm sorry if this has been responded too in this way already.

I think this is terrible, Lee. All funds AFTER the first instance of cheating should have been siezed.

Think of it this way, I deposit 55 bucks into stars, put 5 horses in a little 10 dollar MTT. I end up dumping/colluding/cheating my way to the victory for 1800 or so. I then enter a big weekly for 530, with only one account, and win it on the up and up... and pocket 160k or whatever.

If my previous cheating were caught, you'd only take 1800 out of my account and let me cash the rest?

Absurd... the second, "Legit" win wouldn't be legit at all. The entry fee was paid with OTHER PEOPLES MONEY, that I gained through illicit means. Every cent gained AFTER money is made by way of cheating, is tainted.

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Well, this has been responded to numerous times already, but . . .

They looked over his win and there was no dumping/colluding/cheating. His win was legit. He didn't need funds won on the second account to enter with his first account. He won plenty on that first account over time. Lee doesn't even state if the second account was used at all during the tournament. I assume it was, but the odds are he was never at the same table as himself in that tourny. Very easy to check and very easy to see if anything wrong was done. Lee seemed to clear that up.

[Layzie]

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I'm only on page 220(!)

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ha

[benkahuna]

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ZJ has a post linked in the anthology thread. I find it hard to take anything this cheater says as credible, so maybe it's time for an anthology thread update.

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No need to update, ZJ post was a good one, that's the reason why it's up there in the anthology.

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Yes, be upset at ZJ for what he did, but it is -EV to try and banish him from the 2+2 community. He knows a lot about poker. He writes well. He could have a lot to contribute in the future. All his posts are peer reviewed. If anything is bogus or intentionally misleading it would immediately be pointed out.

So let's not cut off our noses to spite our faces. He made a mistake. I am sure he regrets this more then anyone can imagine. I think he should be encouraged to continue posting in the future after a bit of a cooling off period.

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As much as I despise Justin for his cheating (and believe me, I do), I see absolutely no reason that he shouldn't be able to continue to post here on twoplustwo. I think his conduct on 2+2 should determine his fate here and while I guess he's been arrogant and maybe a little annoying (hearsay), it's not like he's done anything to warrant banning from the site (at least not that I'm aware).

I think the people that want him kicked off of here are conflating 2+2 with either the real world, online poker games themselves, or both. Or perhaps they're just blinded by their hatred, who knows?


This thread is the greatest, it even has a scummy lawyer...

[Brando]

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Well, this has been responded to numerous times already, but . . .

They looked over his win and there was no dumping/colluding/cheating. His win was legit. He didn't need funds won on the second account to enter with his first account. He won plenty on that first account over time. Lee doesn't even state if the second account was used at all during the tournament. I assume it was, but the odds are he was never at the same table as himself in that tourny. Very easy to check and very easy to see if anything wrong was done. Lee seemed to clear that up.

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I understand that, but I think you missed the point of my post, in which I used an extreme example to make the argument.

It doesn't matter if he was l33t before the cheating and "omg he r0x0r before he ever cheated".

Anything at all won after the first of his "5k" that was made mult-accounting is tainted. Do you think he seperated the cheating money and his legit money, and entered SnG's and other tourns with only legit money?

He was using other peoples money to enter tournaments, he used tainted money to enter the big one he scored.

Every cent from the first cheating event on should have been siezed.

From another angle... I steal a check from you, it's only for like 10 bucks or something, but I steal it and use it to buy lottery tickets on a lark, and use 10 bucks of my own, and get 20 tickets.

If I win the lottery, and it's discovered I used a stolen check to buy the half the tickets, it's on the security camera, should I keep the prize?

After all, I could have easily afforded 10 bucks to buy the other half of the tickets on my own, and who's to say it wasn't one of the "legit" tickets that was the winner, so I suppose I should be entilted to the money. Just be held accountable for the 10 bucks I stole... return that and walk away with the millions?

No, it doesn't hold. He was playing with other peoples money, and it should have been taken from him.

[wonderwes]

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I am not Justin, but I am a friend of his. I do want to remain anonymous because I don't anyone to suggest that I was doing what he was doing as they did with Curtains. That was totally uncool and I don't want to deal with that sh**.

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If you do know him, make sure he gets to view this. It got quite creative.
link

[Assani Fisher]

Yes, you would only have stolen $10 and the lotto winnings would indeed be yours to keep. Thats the way our legal system works- You would be charged with stealing $10 and no more.

[Othello]

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P.S. If Indy had only started that discussion here, the longest thread record would have been guaranteed -- although I'm sure OOT would have rallied and recaptured the title.

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Ok, I now have to give up and resort to asking:
Which thread is actually the longest thread here?

I'm asking since I need something to read during my next vacation.