PPA should disassociate itself from scandal ridden CEO Poker tour

[Emperor]

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Why should the CEO poker tour be allowed to continue? They stole money from their participants, denied it, when we proved it they ran away. Now that they offered to not steal in the future we should be satisfied? no no no.

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Then don't participate. But until you can go over their records or have them deny you access you can't be 100% sure that they stole anything. Just because attendance numbers are posted on internet sites doesn't mean they are accurate. That's why real organizations like the PPA don't make accusations like this on an internet forum. It seems to me that you all have done a fine job uncovering what looks very likely to be some shady business and you've reported it to the PPA. Now let them go and decide how they want to proceed.

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the president of the PPA told me that this is more of a case for the WPA. he said that the PPA allowed the CEO tour to promote the PPA at events in order to get more poker players aware of the PPA and that was the extent of their relationship. when i asked if the PPA will allow the CEO tour to promote the PPA at future events he said, "I don’t know. I’m waiting to see how this gets resolved. I don’t have the resources to figure out what transpired here. We are going to wait and see."

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"Wait and see" is irresponsible.

Analogy: I hold the door open for a nice group of men entering a bank with ski masks. They proceed to rob the bank. I decide to wait and see how the situation gets resolved instead of calling the police and disassociating myself from the thieves.

[stephenNUTS]

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the president of the PPA told me that this is more of a case for the WPA. he said that the PPA allowed the CEO tour to promote the PPA at events in order to get more poker players aware of the PPA and that was the extent of their relationship. when i asked if the PPA will allow the CEO tour to promote the PPA at future events he said, "I don’t know. I’m waiting to see how this gets resolved. I don’t have the resources to figure out what transpired here. We are going to wait and see."

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Unfortunatley for The CEO Poker Tour,the WPA or PPA,or any other SRO for that matter,is going to be a major concern for them in the long run.
Their real problem is going to be with those guys that wear windbreakers and also give out bracelets to put on you,only their kind fit snuggly with your wrists behind your back.

~stephen feraca

[Stinky Johnson]

Nelson Algren once wrote (and I paraphrase) "A sociologist is someone who, after spending 1 1/2 years of research and study, can tell you with 80% accuracy where the brothels are located in a given town.
Whereas the man on the street knows he can gather this information in 5 minutes and be 100% accurate, simply by asking the cop on the beat".

Is Rottersrod a sociologist?

He sees the CEO poker tour continuing?

He thinks it's acceptable for the PPA to take weeks to take a position.

Etc., etc.

Meanwhile, the majority of people reading this thread are already aware that the CEO Poker Tour is finished and that the principals of that group are scammers.

And that the PPA has revealed itself to be an ineffective organization.

If it takes them weeks to take a postion on this situation, it reveals them to be hopelessly ineffectual at their stated purpose - protecting the rights of poker players.

If they walk away from this situation, they will demonstrate a total lack of integrity.

[Stinky Johnson]

There have been several posts from people who have served on various Boards, pointing out that it can take months to have a meeting.

I assume the people on the PPA board are poker players. They set their own working hours.
They play poker.

If a problem similar to the current one occurs, they need to be able to act rapidly.

Raymer, in this instance, should've been able to send an email within 24 hours to the other board members, asking them to catch up on this situation by reading the 2+2 threads relevant.

In 48 - 72 hours, , they should've been able to use email to poll the members as to what position to take.
There is also telephone conferencing available.

If the PPA is set up with boilerplate rules where it could take 3 months to discuss this, they need to update the rules at once and advance to the 21st century.

An organization like the PPA is long overdue.

Let's hope that the ineffectiveness and silence of the PPA thus far will eventually be chalked up to growing pains and getting organized, rather than the fact that the PPA has the right ideas but is the wrong organization to be effective in meeting their stated goals.

Based on what I've observed thus far, I won't be joining the PPA.

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Would you guys quit shifting the blame for the CEO onto PPA?

The PPA simply placed information packets at these tournaments.

[Stinky Johnson]

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Would you guys quit shifting the blame for the CEO onto PPA?

The PPA simply placed information packets at these tournaments.

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And by doing same, helped give the CEO tour credibility.

[suzzer99]

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Nelson Algren once wrote (and I paraphrase) "A sociologist is someone who, after spending 1 1/2 years of research and study, can tell you with 80% accuracy where the brothels are located in a given town.
Whereas the man on the street knows he can gather this information in 5 minutes and be 100% accurate, simply by asking the cop on the beat".


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Or a cab driver.

[shaniac]

When's the next CEO Poker tour event and can I pre-register? Maria?

[Dranoel]

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In 48 - 72 hours, , they should've been able to use email to poll the members as to what position to take.
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I hate to rain on your parade, but obviously you've never served on Association Boards or been part of an Executive Committee where bylaws stipulate how the organization can function.

I am currently on two (a Condo Association & I hold an elected Office for a non-profit group). In each, the bylaws require a time-frame for notification to hold a Special Meeting. The time period is 10 days & 5 days respectively from once a request for Special Meeting is announced. Also, in that Special Meeting there must be a quorum (meaning a majority of board members in attendance)- otherwise the meeting can pass no binding measures.

Once that is done; then depending upon our vote at the meeting- the consensus rules immediately & for the other; it must (in most cases) go before the general membership at the scheduled monthly meeting for a vote. These things usually don't move quickly- and believe, I wish they did.

I hope this helps people understand a small part of what goes on behind most organizations.


/Side note: I'll be clear where I stand on this issue. The PPA needs to come out and cut all ties to the CEO Poker Tour if it's been determined that they've been skimming prize winnings from players.

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Would you guys quit shifting the blame for the CEO onto PPA?

The PPA simply placed information packets at these tournaments.

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And by doing same, helped give the CEO tour credibility.

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I suppose if you are of the gullible lot.