What would you do about Virginia Tech?

[latefordinner]

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They pay for it in other ways, like higher crimes for other weapons and the occasional genocide.

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Come on, that's a ludicrous assertion. (the genocide part)

You can make the case that gun control is bad without showing that gun control has negative outcomes for societies (which is empircally tenuous at best)

besides I think if you asked most people to consider if they'd rather live in a society where there were

1) one thousand gun crimes and zero property crimes
or 2) zero gun crimes and two thousand property crimes

they would choose 2

likewise

1) 1000 gun crimes and 0 stabbings
or 2) 0 gun crimes and 2000 stabbings

they would choose 2 as well

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if you want to make the case that widespread guns actually decrease all crime do so. likewise if you want to make the case that gun crimes and gun ownership are not connected (view Canada) for example then do so

but you don't need to assert that gun control laws make people unsafer when they in fact don't.

[John Kilduff]

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They pay for it in other ways, like higher crimes for other weapons and the occasional genocide.

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Come on, that's a ludicrous assertion. (the genocide part)

You can make the case that gun control is bad without showing that gun control has negative outcomes for societies (which is empircally tenuous at best)

besides I think if you asked most people to consider if they'd rather live in a society where there were

1) one thousand gun crimes and zero property crimes
or 2) zero gun crimes and two thousand property crimes

they would choose 2

likewise

1) 1000 gun crimes and 0 stabbings
or 2) 0 gun crimes and 2000 stabbings

they would choose 2 as well

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if you want to make the case that widespread guns actually decrease all crime do so. likewise if you want to make the case that gun crimes and gun ownership are not connected (view Canada) for example then do so

but you don't need to assert that gun control laws make people unsafer when they in fact don't.

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Didn't Hitler round up guns before rounding up Jews?

You believe 2000 stabbings is not as bad as 1000 gun crimes? I'd say it's worse. My guess is that getting stabbed in the chest or abdomen is just as deadly as getting shot there (and maybe deadlier). Getting knifed in a major artery might be deadlier than getting shot there, too. My guess is also that 2000 is more than 1000;-) - seriously, I think 2000 stabbings would be a lot worse than 1000 gun crimes.

[BCPVP]

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Come on, that's a ludicrous assertion. (the genocide part)

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Is it? From what I understand, Germany and the Soviet Union were very pro-gun control.

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but you don't need to assert that gun control laws make people unsafer when they in fact don't.

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I think they do in certain circumstances.

[Osprey]

Well. We have a society with an underclass and criminal element. Our gun laws are lax, and there are weapons all over the place. Said people have access to weapons, resulting in gun crimes. Also, unhinged loonies seem to have access to weapons. Gun crimes are common in this country. This leads me to conclude we would be safer without guns. We would also be safer with a more equitable society where people weren't so angry about things, but that isn't happening either.

Oh, and BTW, I am sure the reason that Nazi Germany and the USSR happened is because they rounded up the guns. Otherwise, there would have been a dedicated resistance against the tyrannical governments which would have overthrown them. Give me a break, can you say crushed like a grape?
Similarly, if there were a Russian or German Gandhi (and who knows, there might have been), he would have been the first lined up against the wall, along with the "armed militia leaders." Resistance is only effective against some forms of government.

This guerilla resistance pipe dream is a cheap excuse.

[Metric]

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Come on people. The number of gun deaths in this country is staggering. No guns, no gun deaths, simple as that. We should get them completely off the streets- if you really want to protect the homestead, use a knife or a bat. Europeans seem to do fine without guns all over the place, we could t0o.

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I suggest that you take a little time out of your schedule and learn how to use a handgun safely and reasonably well at the local range (instruced by someone competent and safe, of course). Aside from learning something interesting in its own right, it will a) lend you some more credibility in all of your subsequent calls for the rest of us to disarm for you, and b) you probably won't be calling for the rest of us to disarm for you.

[rubbrband]

Banning guns outright is a moot point. Never gonna happen in the US.

Now what if you could(legally) carry a gun on campus? Thats a better topic.

[latefordinner]

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Didn't Hitler round up guns before rounding up Jews?

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Godwin's Law. Thread over.

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Not much until we know more about the shooter. Reports are that he's a Chineese National here on a student visa, age 25. From what I gather they don't know if he was a student or not. I for one would like to review the process of granting student visas as a start. I suspect that government is highly disfunctional in this process. Could be convinced otherwise though. Obviously we don't want people gaining the priviledge of being here who are unbalanced and capable of blowing away 30+ people.

[bkholdem]

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Not much until we know more about the shooter. Reports are that he's a Chineese National here on a student visa, age 25. From what I gather they don't know if he was a student or not. I for one would like to review the process of granting student visas as a start.

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go knock yourself out. I would like to review what you and other people who think you can control the world so that bad things don't happen are doing because I think that the road to hell is paved with good intentions and think that people like you with good intentions often screw up our world really badly by making rules and regluations that constrict our lives. Mabye you should do some relaxation exercises because you can not stop maniacs from acting out.

[bkholdem]

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No guns, no gun deaths, simple as that.

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No, it is not that simple.

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We should get them completely off the streets

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We can't even do this with drugs and at least with drugs there is active support to do this.



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lol, we can't even get drugs OUT OF MAxIMUM SECURITY PRISONS.