Some Stuff About PUA (very long)

[xxThe_Lebowskixx]

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Can we start discussing some of the unethical PUA stuff? I remember someone posted the tricks to use if a girl has a boyfriend. That was pretty brilliant and sick at the same time.

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Cosign. Im rather curious about this.

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If you start flirting with a girl who has a boyfriend who isn't with her you immediately make her think that he is cheating on her. The con works something like this - you talk about girls you know who found out guys were cheating on them, you make her think and talk about her past relationships that didn't work (the types of relationships she had w/ the guys who turned out to be jerks), you get her to talk about his bad attributes, like if he is working late tonight then he probably works late often, then you pitch the pseudo carpe diem life philosophy about not wanting to waste opportunities all the while getting her to consume as many drinks as possible.

I was only skimming through the art of seduction book, but there are some really sick ones in there talking about the different types of victims and the different types of manipulators. Each manipulator has certain types of victims which work best. If you meet a girl who has one boyfriend since she was 18, you'd want to be the wild and crazy guy. If you meet a single mom, you'd want to be Mr. Sweet and Rich. The book is not too advanced, but it does give you some things to think about. Its pretty crazy though because I think it was on Amazon's Top 100 for quite awhile.

[Pyromaniac]

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but no force should ever be used.

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where are you getting this from? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[snagglepuss]

anacardo,

i honestly believe your reading time would be much better spent with:

Narcissism: Denial of the True Self

Why Is It Always About You? : The Seven Deadly Sins of Narcissism

Narcissism and Character Transformation: The Psychology of Narcissistic Character Disorders

[xxThe_Lebowskixx]

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Maybe women don't like you because you can't get a job. Or something.

Either way, I said this in another thread once: PUAs are experts at picking up rape, incest, and abuse victims.

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Wrong.

Please, there is a difference between a PUA and a rape artist.

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Er, I think he was saying that women who have previously been victims of rape/incest/abuse are more likely to be susceptible to PUA techniques. (& more likely to be strippers/prostitutes/pron stars?) As those women already have serious self-esteem (& other) issues.

He wasn't equating PUAs with rape artists (?)

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I definitely think that PUA skill sets can be used in ways that never warrant such use, but it still takes a sick person to completely manipulate a woman and then have her do something to which she is not consciously aware of or says no to.

I don't think there has ever been any literature or renowned PUA coach who has ever condoned the use of using such skills to force the women to sleep with the man. The choice has always been the woman's and willing fully so. The man, obviously, needs to be persuasive enough to have the woman sleep with him, but no force should ever be used.

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Sorry dude, but a lot of this stuff is based on finding someone's weakness and then making them think that you are the answer to their weakness. Where you want to draw the ethical line is up to you.

What about stuff like purposely standing a girl up or canceling dates with her to maintain your authority and lack of interest?

[RayPowers]

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GUYS YOU'RE RUINING THIS THREAD

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[Dudd]

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how is the long run relationship going to happen if a guy can't even get the proper start to attracting the girl?

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God, how did the human race even last this long? Obviously no man could find a mate without asking her to buy him a drink.

This is the exact kind of PUA defense that I find completely short-sighted and idiotic, along with the "Guessing games are just ploys, and then we really get to know each other." For all of the lamenting about how skeptics pigeonhole the "seduction community" into being gimmick artists, those same people are guilty of slotting the rest of the world into two areas, those who find happiness and those who don't. Classic scare tactic, join us or be miserable.

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I don't think that's what he was trying to say, but that for a clueless guy who has trouble meeting girls, sometimes what they need is simply the ability to initially attract. It's not that it's impossible to do this without using PUA methods, but if you do have this problem, it can help getting over the initial hump.

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hahaha pale, greasy geeks talking about being pick up artists.

[Anacardo]

Barron,

I'm gonna take the opportunity to break in on this universal paean to confidence.

I maintain that there is very little real difference between confidence and arrogance. One is justified, or perceived as such, and the other is not. That is literally the only difference of which I am aware. The attitude, exhibited behaviors, etc. are the same. One is feeling like the [censored] and being it, too. The other is just the feeling.

On that note, I ask - what the [censored] ever happened to humility? Isn't that still a really, really good thing to possess? Like, the foundation of everything about being a good person rests in humility, imo. Some of you are going to call me a total hypocrite for that statement, and maybe I am, but I don't like it. I want as much humility as I can get. I want to be freed from the prison of my own ego. I think that would be very leet, and I think that it would be leet for everyone else, too. Like, to me, the beau ideal is the dude who is the [censored] but doesn't particularly see himself as such. And yet you guys all preach the exact opposite. This is the part that I end up taking personally, that drives me crazy. Like, even if it's a requirement to be a tru playa or whatever, what a stupid game!

[JuntMonkey]

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always think of that fight club saying .. something about being truly free is the willingness to give ita ll up or something.

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Hahaha, awesome. I just looked this quote up yesterday.

"It's only after you've lost everything that you're free to do anything."

[Triumph36]

anacardo,

i think there's a huge difference between confidence and arrogance - i don't think it quite matters, as that's simply semantics and doesn't get down to the root of any issue. regardless, i'd go so far as to say that confidence and arrogance often don't have much to do with anything. you can see arrogance all over this site - but you'll see a lot of unconfident people as well.

as for humility, it's a sexless goal - almost a goal of non-being. for another, i sincerely doubt it's a goal you will ever attain. humility is a good quality, but in the end, it seems opposed to desire, and isn't something you should (or possibly can) actively seek out.

also yes it was fight club that came up with the concept that having no overriding belief means that anything is possible for a particular person