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#251
07-26-2006, 06:12 AM
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Re: Best tournament player of all time
Any one in this thread ever played or saw Jeff Madsen play ?? you guys are just high...wait till you cool down to anwser !!
I think that with all the new young players each year at WSOP and the HUGE luck factor in tournament, the "best player of all time" should AT least played in the tournement circuit for 5 years ... That should be the rule or something close to it... like played in 200 or so !! It just doesn't make any sense to ask that question after Jeff won 2 bracelets. Ask the same question after the Main Event and I'm sure people will say that the new champ is the best of all time... it's just ridiculous like that. and also tournament with less then 200 players shouldn't qualify for a "real" bracelet count ... I mean anybody can win a 45 players S&G ... boring 
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#253
07-26-2006, 11:31 AM
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Re: Best tournament player of all time
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El D, Has Hellmuth perhaps surpassed Madsen with his latest bracelet? [/ QUOTE ] madsen is gettin ready to tear it up in stud 8 tomorrow
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#254
07-26-2006, 11:50 AM
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Clayton, Seriously, man, that kind of obvious trolling is not appreciated at all in this thread. You do not consider danny nguyen a candidate and we both know that. [/ QUOTE ] My success will come.
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#255
07-26-2006, 12:04 PM
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Re: Best tournament player of all time
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After keeping up this pace for even as little as a few years, he's going to be unbelievably wealthy. Factor the supplemental income from the inevitable endorsements, what's to stop him from retiring at 25? 23? [/ QUOTE ] This is an important question, but to be honest, I'm not worried about Madsen retiring any time soon. I've never met the young man, but I have looked at several pictures. And, it's clear to me that he has what we in the poker industry call "The Eye of the Wolf." Some also call it, "Being Hungry Like the Tiger." Suffice it to say, men of his ilk never get bored with dominance, just like hunting carnivores never get bored with devouring elk. Poker Tournaments = Elk. Proof was seen yesterday - the man already has a bankroll in excess of a million pre-tax dollars, yet he goes out and dominates some kind of tiny buy-in tournament to make his 4th final table. Sure, he could have played the $4k-$8k game at the Aladdin and won his weight in gold bullion, but he wanted to play a tournament. This bodes well for his future. Also, another note. I saw a lot of calls in this thread for Stu Ungar. I wasn't familiar with his play, so I looked over the moneylist for the last few World Series. Mr. Ungar was nowhere to be found - has he retired from poker? If not, he's definitely had a few bad years - imagine the amount of money he's lost in buyins! (I'm assuming he plays most events) He appears to be krill to Mr. Madsen's Whale Shark.
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#256
07-26-2006, 12:10 PM
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Also, another note. I saw a lot of calls in this thread for Stu Ungar. I wasn't familiar with his play, so I looked over the moneylist for the last few World Series. Mr. Ungar was nowhere to be found - has he retired from poker? If not, he's definitely had a few bad years - imagine the amount of money he's lost in buyins! (I'm assuming he plays most events) He appears to be krill to Mr. Madsen's Whale Shark. [/ QUOTE ] Sarcasm right? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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#258
07-26-2006, 01:10 PM
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Re: Best tournament player of all time
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[ QUOTE ] After keeping up this pace for even as little as a few years, he's going to be unbelievably wealthy. Factor the supplemental income from the inevitable endorsements, what's to stop him from retiring at 25? 23? [/ QUOTE ] This is an important question, but to be honest, I'm not worried about Madsen retiring any time soon. I've never met the young man, but I have looked at several pictures. And, it's clear to me that he has what we in the poker industry call "The Eye of the Wolf." Some also call it, "Being Hungry Like the Tiger." Suffice it to say, men of his ilk never get bored with dominance, just like hunting carnivores never get bored with devouring elk. Poker Tournaments = Elk. Proof was seen yesterday - the man already has a bankroll in excess of a million pre-tax dollars, yet he goes out and dominates some kind of tiny buy-in tournament to make his 4th final table. Sure, he could have played the $4k-$8k game at the Aladdin and won his weight in gold bullion, but he wanted to play a tournament. This bodes well for his future. Also, another note. I saw a lot of calls in this thread for Stu Ungar. I wasn't familiar with his play, so I looked over the moneylist for the last few World Series. Mr. Ungar was nowhere to be found - has he retired from poker? If not, he's definitely had a few bad years - imagine the amount of money he's lost in buyins! (I'm assuming he plays most events) He appears to be krill to Mr. Madsen's Whale Shark. [/ QUOTE ] I know. I've had a night to think about it and I may not now feel the same way I did yesterday. I don't have the guts to admit I was wrong, but if you offered me even money on an over/under of 50 bracelets in 10 years, I'm taking the over every time. El D had a great point, too. Just because he'll win 4 or so this year is no reason to believe that this is his pace. He a) is just starting out, and b) missed the first few events this year. He may well win 6-8 next year and possibly even improve from there in the future. Edit - as an aside, I don't watch a ton of poker on tv but I don't recall hearing of Umger either. I just have to believe if this guy was really that good, I would've heard of him by now.
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#259
07-26-2006, 02:17 PM
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Diablo I had a piece of two people in the SAME wsop final table this year. Part of being a good tourney player is knowing when to buy/swap pieces of other players who are going to win, because no money is better than money others earn for you. How many of the guys on your list consistently produce like that? [/ QUOTE ] I agree. Clearly this makes Josh. the best tourney player.
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#260
07-26-2006, 02:22 PM
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Re: Best tournament player of all time
All,
I think this pretty much says it all. Nobody else mentioned in this thread has anything that can come even close to this performance: No-Limit Hold'em Short Handed 6/Table 1 $643,381.00 No-Limit Hold'em 1 $660,948.00 Omaha High-Low 8/OB 3 $97,552.00 Seven Card Stud High-Low 8/OB Final Table
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