ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs - Page 254

doc_1982 · #**2531** 02-28-2006, 10:22 AM

I don't really remember, but i think it might have been on here, when people were asking about being able to open more tables than the max allowed on Party. I'd definitely heard it before though.

johnnycakes · #**2532** 02-28-2006, 10:24 AM

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I don't think so. I'd heard of this trick before zeejustin ever admitted to it.

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where did you hear about it?

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2+2 Software forum.

All you had to do was click the icon rapidly. It start the process of opening clients until the first one had fully loaded. I could get six open if I clicked really fast. Very handy for datamining.

KaneKungFu123 · #**2533** 02-28-2006, 10:26 AM

You guys never considered that this could lead to cheating? You didnt think to create a thread on 2+2 and not allow it to die until Party did something to fix this flaw in their software?

I read 2+2 daily and Ive never heard about this trick before until now.

BTW, why do have multiple Party accounts?

Vavavoom · #**2534** 02-28-2006, 10:29 AM

I hadn't posted in this thread up until now...

I agree with Soah and Illunious and various other posters...

There are many people on this forum that have crossed the line...In the various ways mentioned...

How would people feel that the Party sites took away all the money that was made whilst playing under-age/in rake-back/gnomed accounts for bonuses etc....It all comes under the same bracket....You are cheating the system...

I personally feel sorry for Zee & JJ... They were both good players and I think they have been unfortunate in having money taken away...

For Zee to have been put at the same table as himself in MTT's, I think is bad...but I believe he was trying to be honest in open up other tables to keep him from focusing on that particular table...He could have sat out which may have been more "ethical"..But its done now and the damage will be long-lasting...

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The thing with the people that have been caught is, they were not trying to hide anything, they were playing all of their accounts on the same computer/ip. This either reveals that A: The biggest poker sites SSSSUUUUCK at preventing cheating or B: These sites were undecided on multiaccounting and the anti-collusion measures they use didn't catch anything suspicious. There's also an A: same-computer-multiaccounters were completely retarded for not using non-detectable methods or B: they were under the impression that is was OK as long as they didn't collude.

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Unfortunately this is how I see it...

The only reason, that they had moeny taken away is due to the fact that people emailed various sites and took action then..

I totally agree with how Pstars have handled it...and not so much with Party...

I don't multi-account fwiw, and I only play cash games...

But I think that there are many 2+2'ers and non 2+2er's that multi-account...and I think multiaccounting MTT's is one of the smaller problems for Pokersites..

I remember playing in a Crypto downtime MTT with $50K added ...it was a $20 buy-in and had a max of 2000 runners...

I entered two aliases (due to the problems with registering)...and I had a friend play the entire tourney in which he finished 82nd..I finished 300+..but I specifically remember seeing one SN (obviously the same name across all cryptos) entered 6 times...and various others 2x-3x...It happens a lot more than people think....

johnnycakes · #**2535** 02-28-2006, 10:29 AM

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You guys never considered that this could lead to cheating? You didnt think to create a thread on 2+2 and not allow it to die until Party did something to fix this flaw in their software?

I read 2+2 daily and Ive never heard about this trick before until now.

BTW, why do have multiple Party accounts?

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I have one account.
My wife has one account.
(No, we have never played poker at the same time before).
So, I could login as myself, as my wife and just as guest/observer for the others. You can open four tables if your just a guest/observer.
So, if I got 6 clients open, that's 10+10+4+4+4+4=36 tables.

You could not login under one username on mulitple clients. It behaved the same as if you logged in from a different computer.

Vavavoom · #**2536** 02-28-2006, 10:30 AM

KKF,

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You guys never considered that this could lead to cheating? You didnt think to create a thread on 2+2 and not allow it to die until Party did something to fix this flaw in their software?

I read 2+2 daily and Ive never heard about this trick before until now.

BTW, why do have multiple Party accounts?

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I heard it in a tip on how to datamine....

And you opened the client...u didn't have to log in...

I would open 10x client and thats 40 tables...being datamined...

Vava

KaneKungFu123 · #**2537** 02-28-2006, 10:32 AM

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You guys never considered that this could lead to cheating? You didnt think to create a thread on 2+2 and not allow it to die until Party did something to fix this flaw in their software?

I read 2+2 daily and Ive never heard about this trick before until now.

BTW, why do have multiple Party accounts?

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I have one account.
My wife has one account.
(No, we have never played poker at the same time before).
So, I could login as myself, as my wife and just as guest/observer for the others. You can open four tables if your just a guest/observer.
So, if I got 6 clients open, that's 10+10+4+4+4+4=36 tables.

You could not login under one username on mulitple clients. It behaved the same as if you logged in from a different computer.

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But ZJ is playing with all accounts. Your wife is just an observer?

Would it allow your wife and you to sit at the same table? Naturally, I assume you would try to see whether other people could be cheating you so easily.

johnnycakes · #**2538** 02-28-2006, 10:37 AM

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You guys never considered that this could lead to cheating? You didnt think to create a thread on 2+2 and not allow it to die until Party did something to fix this flaw in their software?

I read 2+2 daily and Ive never heard about this trick before until now.

BTW, why do have multiple Party accounts?

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I have one account.
My wife has one account.
(No, we have never played poker at the same time before).
So, I could login as myself, as my wife and just as guest/observer for the others. You can open four tables if your just a guest/observer.
So, if I got 6 clients open, that's 10+10+4+4+4+4=36 tables.

You could not login under one username on mulitple clients. It behaved the same as if you logged in from a different computer.

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But ZJ is playing with all accounts. Your wife is just an observer?

Would it allow your wife and you to sit at the same table? Naturally, I assume you would try to see whether other people could be cheating you so easily.

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You could not sit at the same table in cash games of Sit N Gos, just like in the old days you could not sit with yourself when logged in on Party and Empire at the same time.
It recognizes that you have the same IP and won't allow you to play together. This IP restriction has never been in place for MTTs.
So, you could enter the same tournament.
Yes, it would make it very easy to cheat at tourneys in this way.

KaneKungFu123 · #**2539** 02-28-2006, 10:40 AM

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You guys never considered that this could lead to cheating? You didnt think to create a thread on 2+2 and not allow it to die until Party did something to fix this flaw in their software?

I read 2+2 daily and Ive never heard about this trick before until now.

BTW, why do have multiple Party accounts?

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I have one account.
My wife has one account.
(No, we have never played poker at the same time before).
So, I could login as myself, as my wife and just as guest/observer for the others. You can open four tables if your just a guest/observer.
So, if I got 6 clients open, that's 10+10+4+4+4+4=36 tables.

You could not login under one username on mulitple clients. It behaved the same as if you logged in from a different computer.

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But ZJ is playing with all accounts. Your wife is just an observer?

Would it allow your wife and you to sit at the same table? Naturally, I assume you would try to see whether other people could be cheating you so easily.

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You could not sit at the same table in cash games of Sit N Gos, just like in the old days you could not sit with yourself when logged in on Party and Empire at the same time.
It recognizes that you have the same IP and won't allow you to play together. This IP restriction has never been in place for MTTs.
So, you could enter the same tournament.
Yes, it would make it very easy to cheat at tourneys in this way.

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GOD ONLY KNOWS HOW MUCH HAS BEEN CHEATED FROM YOU.

Marnixvdb · #**2540** 02-28-2006, 10:40 AM

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You guys never considered that this could lead to cheating? You didnt think to create a thread on 2+2 and not allow it to die until Party did something to fix this flaw in their software?

I read 2+2 daily and Ive never heard about this trick before until now.

BTW, why do have multiple Party accounts?

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I have one account.
My wife has one account.
(No, we have never played poker at the same time before).
So, I could login as myself, as my wife and just as guest/observer for the others. You can open four tables if your just a guest/observer.
So, if I got 6 clients open, that's 10+10+4+4+4+4=36 tables.

You could not login under one username on mulitple clients. It behaved the same as if you logged in from a different computer.

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But ZJ is playing with all accounts. Your wife is just an observer?

Would it allow your wife and you to sit at the same table? Naturally, I assume you would try to see whether other people could be cheating you so easily.

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accounts that are linked to each other one way or the other (through interaccount transfer, having logged in from the same computer, using the same IP adress) can not play at the same tables. At least not at Single table SNGs or at cash games.

When I heard about the trick to open multiple clients, i think it was in the context of being able to play more tables than the 4 party capped their players at. I never considered that it would make cheating in MTTs possible.