Female on Paxil, Things have changed

[Magellan]

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Keep in mind that this girl is literally my best friend, and I hers. I am the boyfriend that gets no play. 90% of people I interact with believe she is my girlfriend, including my parents who have spent several weekends with her, and many of our mutual friends. I find it hard to take a "life aint nothin but bitches an' money" approach to this girl with this kind of relationship already in place.

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This is the killer, because it is the single thing stopping you from taking the approach that you need to.

Either decide that the above is too important and you're giving it a miss, or put it on the line and go for it the way I described.

I personally think you still have a chance to touch pink bits with this girl. I don't think this would necessarily lead to a "relationship", nor do I think it would ruin your friendship with her.

[siccjay]

Doc, I just wanted to add that Hopey is dead on with everything he has said.

My advice for you is the same as it was earlier. You need to just cut all ties with this girl immediately. You say you are best friends, SIKE. You are too into this girl to be her best friend. Remaining friends with her is going to be unhealthy for you.

You need to find other chicks and STOP CALLING THIS GIRL. Start being busy when she calls or IMs you or whatever. Work into conversations that you are talking to girls. It's about the only chance you have of getting this girl (but it's pretty much impossible.)

It's going to be hard to just drop her at first but TRUST ME. You will be so much better in the future.

Also, go here and read if you haven't already. http://www.fastseduction.com/

[NhlNut]

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Tappy:

What do you interpret as my current mindset?

And what do you think my mindset SHOULD be?

Keep in mind that this girl is literally my best friend, and I hers.

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STOP LYING TO YOURSELF!

You do not want to be her friend. You want to be her romantic interest. Admit that single fact. Please.

[w_alloy]

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You need to just cut all ties with this girl immediately. You say you are best friends, SIKE. You are too into this girl to be her best friend. Remaining friends with her is going to be unhealthy for you.

You need to find other chicks and STOP CALLING THIS GIRL. Start being busy when she calls or IMs you or whatever. Work into conversations that you are talking to girls. It's about the only chance you have of getting this girl (but it's pretty much impossible.)

It's going to be hard to just drop her at first but TRUST ME. You will be so much better in the future.

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100% correct. Tell her the reasons you are doing this (with the emphasis on "you are being a teasing bitch" and not "i love you too much..."). When she tries to get back with you, which she will, rebuff her shortly and coldly. After at least a week, then you can entertain seeing her again, but only if it is explicitly clear before hand that you are going to have sex.

No matter how tough it is short term this is what you need to do.

[adsman]

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You need to just cut all ties with this girl immediately. You say you are best friends, SIKE. You are too into this girl to be her best friend. Remaining friends with her is going to be unhealthy for you.

You need to find other chicks and STOP CALLING THIS GIRL. Start being busy when she calls or IMs you or whatever. Work into conversations that you are talking to girls. It's about the only chance you have of getting this girl (but it's pretty much impossible.)

It's going to be hard to just drop her at first but TRUST ME. You will be so much better in the future.

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100% correct. Tell her the reasons you are doing this (with the emphasis on "you are being a teasing bitch" and not "i love you too much..."). When she tries to get back with you, which she will, rebuff her shortly and coldly. After at least a week, then you can entertain seeing her again, but only if it is explicitly clear before hand that you are going to have sex.

No matter how tough it is short term this is what you need to do.

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There is no chance of the OP doing this. None. Zero. Zilch. There has been a wealth of valuable advice in this thread, (that I would have killed for at the age of 17), and he has followed exactly none of it. He is a masochist. He is scared of sex.
He says he wants to let his relationship die in the summer. You dweeb. You don't have a relationship. I have a better relationship with my cat than you have with this girl.
For me the end was when you stated that you were overjoyed that she let you touch her hair. If you can't see where this is wrong, (and it is wrong on so many levels), then you are without hope on an epic scale.

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I've read every post in this thread without posting yet and now I must get this off my chest:

If you like this girl what you have to do is tell her
you're sick of her mind games and that you're done with her forever- not friends nothing, you just cannot stand what she is doing to you. She may call your bluff, but you cannot fold and it would be like the old reverse break up and get you on top or at least somewhat close to level in the relationship.

Personally, the stories you tell of her if they are true should make you absolutely hate her and if you do then you shuold seek revenge. The only type of revenge that would work in this situation is rape. Just grab her one time while you're fooling around and start to kiss her, if she resists screw it and start to take off her shirt and put your fingers down her pants and rub her. Eventually just make sure you screw her even if she begins to scream(make sure no one else is in the house, or no one else is near the field you are in) This is the best revenge I can think of and you cannot get charged because everyone else wants you to bang her even her parents and probably think you are already too so no one would believe her when she says she resisted and then you win. You say I don't know why she is behaving this way and that she has lost it and you cannot stand her anymore and you are through with her.

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WOW, you are a scumbag. YES LET'S RAPE A GIRL BECAUSE I HAVE NO GAME AND CANNOT GET IN HER PANTS. I THINK YOU FORGOT TO MENTION YOUR RAD TRANS AM IN THIS POST, BTW.

[El Diablo]

Doc,

Wow. I hadn't read this thread until now. Since it kept getting bumped I figured it had something interesting in it - I just read the whole thing!

OK, sounds like you are flying by the seat of your pants too much and need to think up a plan of action here, otherwise you will keep getting close but never really moving things forward. Also, you don't want to risk moving too fast, that has the potential to screw things up. You've been making consistent progress so far, don't want to mess that up.

Here is what I would suggest.

First, go for five or six more "TV dates" where you just chill. 24, Wheel of Fortune, etc. Have a beer or two while watching and maybe touch her a little, like grab her hand or give her a silly punch or something. I know this is repeating some of what you've already done, but it will be good to really reinforce the solid foundation you have with her.

After you have done that, do the same thing, except work in some bets. Like, when Jack Bauer has someone in some hold, say something like "I bet I could do that too" and then when she says "whatever" get her in that hold and then tickle her. Just do that for a second, then let her up. Another thing you can do is say, OK, let's bet on Wheel of Fortune who gets the next clue. Then bet her sometihng like if you win you get to brush her hair and if she wins you will do her homework. During these dates, try and get a little more forward, like maybe give her a hug or something.

OK, after you've gone through those steps and things are still going well, time to move things to the next level. Tell her you're going to grab a burger or Taco Bell or something and ask her to come along. Try and know her schedule beforehand so you know she is free. Except, when you're driving, say "you know what, I changed my mind" and go to like Chili's or something instead. Tell her you had a craving for Chili's and since you're dragging her along, it's on you. Then have lunch or dinner or whatever with her. Don't make a big deal about this date, but at the end definitely give her a hug or something. One thing you can do here is get some fries and then say "wow, taste this" and feed her one. Make sure you hvae one in your hand first so she doesn't have a chance to just grab one off your plate. Also, maybe order one dessert that the two of you can share, that is pretty romantic and one thing you can do is kind of grab for it as the same time she does so your spoons hit each other and your hands kind of bump into each other.

Having gone on a first semi-date like that, think about another activity date. One idea would be to go visit her parents again and go watch a movie with them. Try to do it on the later side so her parents will want to go home right after then take her out for a beer or something. Then take her back home. Nothing has happened here, but you are getting ready for the next phase.

OK, back at school now, tell her how much fun you had at the movies with her and her parents and how much you're looking forward to doing it again. Say this on like a Tuesday. Then, on Thursady or so, tell her you really can't wait to see a movie again and would like to go ahead and go now instead of waiting for her parents. This time, you can have a few more beers after. This will also be a good time to give her a hug after beers and say something like "hey, i really like you."

OK, this is probably a few months worht of work, but I think if you take it slow and steady like this instead of just jumping around randomly the way you have, you have a really good shot.

[adsman]

Would the next phase after this be to play a game of Twister or would that be moving too fast?

[El Diablo]

ads,

Twister is a pretty solid idea at that point. Here is another pretty solid idea.

Have her and four friends over (2 guys, 2 girls) and have some drinks. Key here is to get BOTTLED beers. Have one of the GIRLS suggest, "guys, we HAVE TO play spin the bottle." Now, start playing spin the bottle. But, THIS IS KEY HERE, have this set up with the girls in advance. When you spin, anytime the bottle points ANYWHERE NEAR THAT GIRL, have them sort of move away so it looks closer to her and have them immediately say OK IT IS YOU AND HER and sort of push you guys together immediately, then BOOM give her a kiss. One other thing you can do which is pretty sweet is you have like steps, so the first time it is just a kiss on lips, second time it's a french kiss, etc. For round six or sometihng, have the girls say "you have to go in a closet with her for two minutes" or something like that. Then, kiss her in the closet and pull her tight so you can feel her breasts against your chest with only her bra, t-shirt, sweater, your sweater, and t-shirt separating the two of you. Maybe "accidentally" let your hands slip down to like the small of her back too.

[adsman]

El D,

Very solid. Playing 'Doctors and Nurses' could also be a sure fire winner.
The only probelm with your idea is that I don't think the OP knows any other girls.