"Jesus" advises Yang to stiff dealers? - Page 25

pkrporcupine · #**241** 07-20-2007, 01:27 AM

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i read a lot of this, but when i got to the part when the whiny dealer was insulting construction workers i was too disgusted to continue....
I DEEPLY appologize that many of you took this as whining. As for insulting someone who outright insulted me, dont dish it if you cant take it. 

dealing poker is one of the easiest, most enjoyable, simplest, ridiculously overpaid jobs in the world. i have no idea why any of them would be complaining. i cant even think of a more simple job that gets $50+ an hr.

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I have tried my best to walk away from this but with all the insults towards me, the false asumptions of my intent and the obvious attacks on my intelligence and character, ugh, I wish you all good fortune and I hope that this will evolve into an actual discussion on some very real topics that have been brought to light here. I will no longer be answering any further posts here or posting anywhere in this forum. If you have a legitimate question for me, I will be at pokerati.com. Please do not turn that blog into a trash-a-thon like some of you have done here.

Clarkmeister · #**242** 07-20-2007, 01:33 AM

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i read a lot of this, but when i got to the part when the whiny dealer was insulting construction workers i was too disgusted to continue....
I DEEPLY appologize that many of you took this as whining. As for insulting someone who outright insulted me, dont dish it if you cant take it. 

dealing poker is one of the easiest, most enjoyable, simplest, ridiculously overpaid jobs in the world. i have no idea why any of them would be complaining. i cant even think of a more simple job that gets $50+ an hr.

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I have tried my best to walk away from this but with all the insults towards me, the false asumptions of my intent and the obvious attacks on my intelligence and character, ugh, I wish you all good fortune and I hope that this will evolve into an actual discussion on some very real topics that have been brought to light here. I will no longer be answering any further posts here or posting anywhere in this forum. If you have a legitimate question for me, I will be at pokerati.com. Please do not turn that blog into a trash-a-thon like some of you have done here. 

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So is $30/down about what you are expecting?

pkrporcupine · #**243** 07-20-2007, 01:34 AM

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The winner didn't leave a tip at all.

Remember, Chris Ferguson told him... "zero."

The players left gave a 1.8 percent tip prior to the start of the tournament (approx. 1.3 percent going to the dealers).

We may be able to call it around two percent since there were likely some players that did cash who elected to leave an addition gratuity.

Suz and Jfert, what part of this assigned toke do you not understand? And what gives Mr. Yang the right to proclaim that he is paying the gratuity for all those that didn't cash when all those folks who indeed didn't cash in the tournament were forced to give $174 prior to the start of the event.

If you are saying my argument is flawed, then will Mr. Yang consider returning the $174 to those who didn't cash in the tournament?

I am not arguing that amount of assigned gratuity at the start, in fact, it may be a safeguard by Harrah's that they get relatively competent personnel for the game's largest and most important event.

I only argue that Mr. Yang, under the advice of Mr. Ferguson, appears to me to be a far-less-than-average tipper for someone who has garnered approx. $4.5 million of winnings in a poker tournament.

If you folks would've done the same thing, then I would classify you the same way. However, if you would've toked an additional 1-2 percent of your winnings to the tip pool, then I for one, would've said, "wow, what a guy (gal), can you believe the extraordinary generosity of the winner!"

Your trying to reinforce in me the percentage of gratuity, which I accept, but that still doesn't change the outcome.

Until an overwhleming argument is shown to me, I will consider Mr. Ferguson and Mr. Yang, far-below-average tippers. This will not change my judgement of them as people, as they appear to be quite upstanding.

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I cannot pass this by, Jerry IS a very generous man and was only doing what he was advised to do. He has never been apart of something this large and had no clue on what was cutomary. PLEASE PLEASE do not lable him as a less-than-average tipper and a less-than-average person. He is far from both and I am positive that if he was given the FULL picture, he would have left a little more.

fnurt · #**244** 07-20-2007, 01:42 AM

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And what gives Mr. Yang the right to proclaim that he is paying the gratuity for all those that didn't cash when all those folks who indeed didn't cash in the tournament were forced to give $174 prior to the start of the event.

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Because, in fact, the players who didn't cash weren't forced to give a dime towards the tip. Everyone would have paid $10,000 regardless.

Let's assume that Harrah's, for whatever reason, had chosen not to deduct any tip for the staff and leave it entirely up to the players' discretion. In that scenario, do you contend that they would have charged an entry fee of $9,826 to this year's WSOP?

Of course not. The entry fee was going to be $10,000 regardless. So the people who didn't cash didn't pay one single, solitary dime towards the tip. The cost was borne entirely by the prizewinners, who received less than they otherwise would have.

This being the Internet, I've already explained this one more time than I should have.

Homer · #**245** 07-20-2007, 01:42 AM

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The winner didn't leave a tip at all.

Remember, Chris Ferguson told him... "zero."

The players left gave a 1.8 percent tip prior to the start of the tournament (approx. 1.3 percent going to the dealers).

We may be able to call it around two percent since there were likely some players that did cash who elected to leave an addition gratuity.

Suz and Jfert, what part of this assigned toke do you not understand? And what gives Mr. Yang the right to proclaim that he is paying the gratuity for all those that didn't cash when all those folks who indeed didn't cash in the tournament were forced to give $174 prior to the start of the event.

If you are saying my argument is flawed, then will Mr. Yang consider returning the $174 to those who didn't cash in the tournament?

I am not arguing that amount of assigned gratuity at the start, in fact, it may be a safeguard by Harrah's that they get relatively competent personnel for the game's largest and most important event.

I only argue that Mr. Yang, under the advice of Mr. Ferguson, appears to me to be a far-less-than-average tipper for someone who has garnered approx. $4.5 million of winnings in a poker tournament.

If you folks would've done the same thing, then I would classify you the same way. However, if you would've toked an additional 1-2 percent of your winnings to the tip pool, then I for one, would've said, "wow, what a guy (gal), can you believe the extraordinary generosity of the winner!"

Your trying to reinforce in me the percentage of gratuity, which I accept, but that still doesn't change the outcome.

Until an overwhleming argument is shown to me, I will consider Mr. Ferguson and Mr. Yang, far-below-average tippers. This will not change my judgement of them as people, as they appear to be quite upstanding.

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I cannot pass this by, Jerry IS a very generous man and was only doing what he was advised to do. He has never been apart of something this large and had no clue on what was cutomary. PLEASE PLEASE do not lable him as a less-than-average tipper and a less-than-average person. He is far from both and I am positive that if he was given the FULL picture, he would have left a little more.

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Why would he have left more? Were you adequately compensated during the WSOP or not?

W brad · #**246** 07-20-2007, 01:43 AM

The real question to me is - Who leaked the story about what advice Chris gave to Jerry?

If it was the dealer who was present in the private room where this ocuurred who leaked this story (to the press or to a forum or blog), then that would seem very unethical to me.

Mitch Evans · #**247** 07-20-2007, 01:43 AM

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PLEASE PLEASE do not lable him as a less-than-average tipper and a less-than-average person. He is far from both and I am positive that if he was given the FULL picture, he would have left a little more.

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So can you give us the full picture? So far it looks like you make $60/hr (tokes) + $6.41 (dealing) an hour?

Mitch Evans · #**248** 07-20-2007, 01:45 AM

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The real question to me is - Who leaked the story about what advice Chris gave to Jerry?

If it was the dealer who was present in the private room where this ocuurred who leaked this story (to the press or to a forum or blog), then that would seem very unethical to me.

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It got leaked in this thread. Go back to the first page.

pkrporcupine · #**249** 07-20-2007, 01:46 AM

First to homer, Honestly I dont recall your OP and questions and I appologize for insulting you. This has turned into both a positive and a negative for all involved and quite overwhelming to me. As for numbers, as I have said a few pages back, I will not disclose my earnings nor that of my coworkers. Honestly any numbers given in this thread will do nothing but invite more bashing of myself and most of the posters here probably wont like the answer anyways. Just to make it clear, I wont know what the $$/down will be untill I get my check next week

....So is $30/down about what you are expecting?....
I will not tie myself down to that ammount. I know this may sound stupid to y'all but I always EXPECT $10/down, This way I can always stay positive about my pay and it is always more than that.

Ramon Scott · #**250** 07-20-2007, 01:46 AM

porcupine,

In one post, I claimed that Jerry was likely a far greater man than I.

I also stated that the situation didn't change my feelings on Mr. Yang and Mr. Ferguson as respectful gentlemen.

Having watched the PPV, I thought the hug at the end was a poignant moment.

Suz,

I tried to clean up my post.

I am embarrassed since I was a sportswriter and desk editor for 10 years. I also still own a sports news website - eastcountysports.com - so I try my best on spelling and style. But I am officially retired as a professional writer.