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#241
06-27-2007, 09:49 AM
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Re: Event #39 - 50K HORSE
Don't know what site you are watching but at the worldseriesofpoker.com he is listed as #15.
. Amnon Filippi $2,343,000 2. Kenny Tran $1,959,000 3. Bruno Fitoussi $1,248,000 4. John Hanson $1,215,000 5. David Singer $1,017,000 6. Freddy Deeb $963,000 7. Tim Phan $889,000 8. Barry Greenstein $700,000 9. Mike Matusow $696,000 10. Gabe Kaplan $625,000 11. Thor Hansen $537,000 12. Chris Reslock $536,000 13. Greg Raymer $504,000 14. Mark Gregorich $386,000 15. Justin Bonomo $295,000 16. Stephen Wolff $263,000 17. Dewey Tomko $248,000 18. Noah Jefferson $167,000 19. Daniel Negreanu $149,000 
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#242
06-27-2007, 09:52 AM
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Re: Event #39 - 50K HORSE
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What a dissapointing final table this would be: Kenny Tran Bruno Fitoussi John Hanson Tim Phan Chris Reslock Mark Gregorich Stephen Wolff Noah Jefferson Patrick Pezzin ESPN actually have to get pretty lucky to have at least three name players on the final table this year. [/ QUOTE ] How about this final table? David Singer Freddy Deeb Barry Greenstein Mike Matusow Gabe Kaplan Greg Raymer Justin Bonomo Dewey Tomko Daniel Negreanu
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#243
06-27-2007, 10:17 AM
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Re: Event #39 - 50K HORSE
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[ QUOTE ] Jesus [censored] christ this must be a level. If not [censored] this [censored] poster. I [censored] hate you. [ QUOTE ] Hellmuth still in with 25 players left. 16 cash. 148 of the best players in the world started. I guess Hellmuth plays ok against the best players, huh? [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] is it exciting for you to have so many "(censored)" words in your post? you seem very worked up. Hellmuth has the most bracelets, final tables and cashes in WSOP history. Does that make you mad? [/ QUOTE ] Not since Rainman has someone gotten so much mileage out of saying the same thing over and over again. McCutter: Are you an excellent driver? Does KMart suck?
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#246
06-27-2007, 11:49 AM
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Re: Event #39 - 50K HORSE
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I just don't understand why the tournament structure isn't finalized until after the majority of players have registered. They could easily have a program setup that adjusts the size of starting stacks and the speed of the blinds as more players register. [/ QUOTE ] Because if there weren't a set structure announced, no one would register, because players have this kooky idea that they should know the details of the event before they put their money in.
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#247
06-27-2007, 12:26 PM
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Re: Event #39 - 50K HORSE
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OK, so the average HORSE stack is 34 big blinds. What do you think is typically the average stack on Day 4 of WPT Hold-em tournament? Isn't it usually around 30 big blinds? At the start of the last level Day 2 of this year's $5 NLHE tournament, the average stack was 20 big blinds. You can't compare this to a NLHE cash game; no one has 100 big blinds in a NLHE tournament after the second level. And limit games play much smaller relative to the blind in any case. If you have 20 big bets in a limit game, you can basically play at least four hands before you must risk all your chips. If you have an average stack in a NL tournament, you could easily be out in a single hand. [/ QUOTE ] First of all, I was comparing a NL Cash Game to a Limit Cash game, nothing about tournaments. You calculate NL stacks by big BLINDS and Limit stacks by big BETS. The poster I was responding to said you can lose the same amount of MONEY just as quick in both games, but I was arguing that the frequency of losing most or all the money happens MORE OFTEN in limit than NL. I was just applying that last concept to the tourney. So basically I'm agreeing with you in a way--you can't really compare this HORSE tourney to a NL tourney. However, you CAN compare a limit HORSE tourney to a limit CASH game in terms of stack sizes. You said it, 20 big BETS is around 4 hands and you're pretty much all-in in a limit game. And how often to you play 4 hands and lose all 4? VERY frequently because in limit you have to see more cards than NL. Bottomline, this is a FAST structure and doesn't allow much play compared to last year. If you run bad you're done.
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#248
06-27-2007, 12:49 PM
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Re: Event #39 - 50K HORSE
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[ QUOTE ] Kenny Tran is know for his skill in NL cash games. Does he have a similar rep for limit mixed games? [/ QUOTE ] eh - he started as a limit he player - i think mimi taught him? dunno about the other games. [/ QUOTE ] If Mimi taught him that is a beat not a brag. She is baddd at limit holdem. -DeathDonkey
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#250
06-27-2007, 01:29 PM
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Re: Event #39 - 50K HORSE
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[ QUOTE ] I dont think Gabe should be disrespected as some novice. [/ QUOTE ] He's not a novice, but how do you think he would fare if he had to play HORSE with Doyle, Chip, Phil & Barry day in and day out? [/ QUOTE ] Who cares, that has nothing to do with this donkament.
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