ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[Acehawk74]

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ZeeJustin,

Yuck. Simply disgusting. This response is comparable to a robber holding car keys of a car he stole.. and then saying he didn't steal it. I'm shocked honestly that the people in this thread didn't go even harder on you than they did. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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Have you even read the thread? I'm pretty sure that they went about as hard as they possibly could on him. Personally I'm getting tired of the countless posts saying the same "ZeeJustin you're a complete idiot etc etc. That is all." This thread needs to be locked or something.

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Yeah, i have read the thread in fact. Frankly, my opinion is as good as anyone else's, and if I had slammed him 20 times by now, Id see your point. Seeing as thats not the case, don't single me out because of your disdain with everyone in general in this thread.

[can_dollars]

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Gibraltar has a perfectly functional legal system, probably fairer, quicker and cheaper than the USA's if you really must know.

But, as it's not as ridiculously pro-plaintiff as the US courts, I can't see a low of mileage in ZJ trying to sue Party though. In fact that would be the stupidest suit since Oscar Wilde sued for libel...and in common law jurisdictions the loser pays the legal costs of the winner,so as a foreign plaintiff ZJ would probably have to lodge an amount equal to the defendants' estimated costs before proceeding with his suit. Of course if he wins that's no problem, but it does make contingency fee 'having a go as a nuisance suit' a very difficult business..

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Their is always that chance that party just settles to avoid the press.

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Doesn't the TOS have a choice of law clause confirming Gibraltar as the juridiction?
No contingency fees there and the loser pays the winner's costs and as a foreign plaintiff ZJ would have to lodge cash against Party lawyers' estimated costs in case he lost I think..

[aeest400]

I'd like to respond more fully, but a quick answer would be: first, while it's illegal for Party to offer its services in, say, Calif, it's not illegal for the player to partake in them; second, the recover of the money is a tort action and not a contract action--you're not asking for the money back under the terms of the agreement but because they stole it (i think this is dispsitive); third, that's why you have more than one argument re your legal right to the money.

As for the second issue, I

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1. Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that the player (if he's somewhere that online poker is illegal) also made the contract in furtherance of an illegal enterprise and it is extremely unlikely that a court will throw out party's boilerplate and then accept the player's terms or impose it's own "reasonable" terms? That a US court is more likely to find that the contract is unenforcable on both sides, meaning that party can keep whatever money it feels like keeping? Or

2. You don't think that this is likely? (I do, I think a player would have to "party on" in Gibraltar to have any chance in court) Or

3. You don't care b/c you're only putting the one side forward?

I'm just curious. My lawyer skills are long since rusty, I didn't do contract law, and this is off the top of my head, but I can't imagine a (edit: US) court asserting jurisdiction and giving the player his illegal poker money back.

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[ligastar]

Two reasons for this post:

(1) We can't let this post fall off the first page just yet.

(2) It has been 65 hours since MY STATEMENT. Will we be waiting 65 more hours for MY STATEMENT II?

[ChipLeader7]

Does anyone know if ZJ has put out a statment regarding him being banned from pstars?

[Gramps]

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If he won the money with his scamming/changing names in high buy-in sit and go's, it was not a legitimate win. It was a clear cheat to the players who kept the same name as per Party Poker's policy and therefore were constantly facing a new player whom they had no information on, while Justin was able to play vs them with all the information he compiled. He admitted that was the exact reason why he did this, to gain this huge advantage. I really don't understand why more people aren't harping on this issue, because as a sit and go player, this is a much bigger issue to me than the multi-entering of multitable tournaments.

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Agreed to a lesser extent - the SNG part of his post jumped out at me right away (people not knowing who I was gave me a big advantage, but I did nothing wrong, yada-yada). If someone changes their account for RB, I don't have much of a problem (b/c collectively all players can do much better with RB), although it does give them an advantage in that opponents don't have information on the new screen name, while the player with the new account/screen name can keep all the info they have on other people.

But at the higher level SNGs when someone against whom others players are going to have a fair amount of insight into how that opponent thinks/plays in certain situations starts opening a bunch of different accounts solely for the sake of deception, I think it crosses the line. I don't know if it was a "clear cheat," but to state that it garners you a big advantage, and then say there's nothing wrong with it...I don't quite agree with that.

I'm sure there are a few others doing the same (and some probably worse), but that doesn't make it right, especially since it was done to benefit one player at the cost of the other players (vs. RB where most of the benefit is at Party's cost).

[lapoker17]

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Does anyone know if ZJ has put out a statment regarding him being banned from pstars?


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yes, he did. he would apparently open even more sit n gos there because he generally runs better at stars.

[Wagner37]

I want to thank URMeowed for having the balls to have done this. Seriously, not enough have said that...thank you sir.

Not because JZ is an terrible person, or because he should be banned from every playing poker again, but because what he did is pretty f'd up in the poker world. Nothing more really needs to be said about his character, or him personally. Quit being so quick to judge, because we've all done things we regret. If I got caught with a corked bat, it doesn't mean I'm the equivalent of a child molester, but I wouldn't expect not to be kicked out of baseball (at least for a long time).

Well done Party and Stars.