Phil Ivey Gossip

[grdred944]

From these comments it sounds as if 90% of the so-called golf gamblers are merely golf grifters. Cheats really. But, I don't question anyone's morality. If there are suckers out there willing to give up their money for whatever reason -- you all knock yourselves out. It still amounts to cheating (at least in this scenario involving Ivey).

[Flacks]

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It’s fair to say that a country club sandbagger and a professional gambler/hustler expose themselves to similar fates…

The sandbagger will be identified and ostracized, socially, as well as on-course, and the damage to his reputation will likely extend to his business dealings in the broader community as well.

The hustler, if he breaks a generally-agreed-upon gambler’s code, and does not correct his error after a renegotiation, will become an isolated pariah.

Greed is not good because, in the long run, it ain’t profitable.

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Or people will find you guilty based on the losers opinion of how things went down even though said people have been told over and over and over again that [/b]they have no clue how these games go down[/b].

They screwed up. It's that simple. Pay your bets,learn from your mistakes andnext tie don't be in such a hurry to get action.

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Flacks, I'll repeat what I posted above. We are not talking about "these games", I have also said that, what Blair is refering to is not golf, what Marc and Ram were playing was golf as they had every time they played Ivey, what you're claiming is that not only is it okay to lie about your handicap, but also to completely switch to a different game with no rules that only one side is aware of.

If that is the case, then Ivey is doubly guilty, not less so.

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at Marc has openly stated on blonde, it is pretty easy to see that this was nothing more than a golf game played for high stakes, nothing that has been said in any way looks similar to what Blair refers to, which is gambling played with golf clubs, not golf with a wager involved.

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You just don't get it. Who are you to say that it wasnt "that kind of game". Of course it was. If you don't beleive that then yoiu have to still beleive in the tooth fairy and eater bunny.

You act as if these guys are innocent vicitms and Ivey is the anti-christ. Where were you when they were taking Ivey to the cleaners? I don't remember anyone jumping to his defense and I sure don't remember him having to explain himself.It's funny because they even admit they were negotiating and yet you still say its not "one of those games."



I'll give you alittle peice of insider info. You say the one gentleman is a scratch golfer? If I was playing for $20 or $200,000 I wouldnt beleive him. He is probably 3 strokes better than that ( unless his ego feels beter being a true scratch player and he's actually a few stroke worse than that)It's the nature of the beast abd your apparent hatred of Ivey is blinding you.

You have been told how the system works over and over by people involved in these games or with first hand knowledge and yet you choose to not accept it.

One more tidbit for you. As a low handicapper it is very easy to get smoked if you arent careful because high handicappers can have huge swings where as you tend to be asteady player. A high handicapper cna easily have a 10 stroke swing in a period of two rounds of golf. And thats "real" golf.

I really can't figure out why you have such a hard time understanding that it just comes down to the fact that they made a bad bet in order to get action.

Honestly, with that much money at stake would you beleive anything anyone says? These are not innocent babes we are talking about here. The whole thing smellls of sour grapes

[fatshaft]

They were negotiating the handicap, as Ivey doesnt have an official handicap, and it was better ball.

If I play a four ball match (unofficial) there's nearly always 1st tee negotiation outside the actual handicaps, as player's know each other's games, and better ball plus matchplay is a far different game that than straight medal play.

I'm sure you realise that and are just trying to make it look like this game was something it wasnt because they agreed on a handicap that wasnt official

[fatshaft]

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It's the nature of the beast abd your apparent hatred of golf cheats is blinding you.

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Fixed your assumption for you.

[D-Grief]

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Marc Goodwin, a very self-regarding semi-successful tournament player (and ex double-glazing salesman) plays off scratch (zero handicap) and has been very boastful of his friendship with Ivey and how he has made lumps of money playing golf with him over the last year or so.


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You're not wrong there, I met Marc for the first time in Amsterdam in November, and one of the first things he showed me was Ivey's phone number in his cell phone to try to impress me. He then proceeded to boast about some poker rankings he was at the top of. I couldn't help thinking "This guy is a bit of a tool."

[Assani Fisher]

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A better analogy would be this: Two boxing trainers are talking about their lightweight fighters and decide to have a match. They place a wager on it. After the match we find out that one trainer brought a middleweight fighter instead of a lightweight and lied about it.

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Worst. Analogy. Ever.

[/ QUOTE ]Have you ever golfed before?

[Assani Fisher]

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I have no sympathy for hustlers getting hustled.

[/ QUOTE ]Theres a difference between hustling and cheating. I feel as if a lot of the non-golf folk in this thread don't understand this.

[Assani Fisher]

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I must really not understand gambling on golf, because I don't see how it's cheating when you go from having the rules set up in a way that makes one player a clear favorite to making the other a clear favorite.

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See my analogy before about a boxer's weight class. Handicap in golf is something that you cannot lie about. Its like lying about a boxer's weight. Do you agree that it'd be wrong to lie about a boxer's weight in order to get him into a lower class?

[Ballers83]

This is cheating... that is all.

[redCashion]

Anyone catch Mike Sexton talking about Phil's handicap on Poker after Dark? He sort of let out that he didn't want to say what his true handicap was, for fear of killing his action.