ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[Colonel Kataffy]

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Why do any of you really care?

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One of the most well known posters here getting busted is a juicy story, duh.

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Are you all upstanding in your own lives? Have you ever cheated before?

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I think you'd be suprised how many honest people there actually are in the world.

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If this was some joe schmoe who plays 11 dollar sit and go's who gets caught doing something like this, no one gives a flying [censored], but since it's a high profile player everyone is quick to grab the stake and wants to nail him to it.

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Well...yeah.

[unlucky513]

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you sir, need to get a life.

[Paluka]

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Playing 2 accounts in the same single table tournament would be an enormous advantage. Absolutely giant. I don't think playing 2 accounts in the same MTT makes much difference at all unless both accounts end up at the same table near the end of the tourney.

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I'll be the first to admit it if I'm wrong, but I would MUCH rather have single-entries in ten STTs than double entries in 5. (I think, at least.) It's just that dumping in a SnG doesn't double your prize EV. Or am I completely missing the point?

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Think about chip dumping in the other direction. 4 people left. one of your accounts has a ton of chips. The other account is almost broke. it is pretty damn easy to make sure your short stack doesn't bubble.

[ezmogee]

This is really massively ignorant. I know him and respect his play. So now I'm a cheater? I'm more prone to cheating because I respect his game and read his articles?

Before this witchhunt spirals out of control, let's wait for the facts that cannot be gleaned from a 3 paragraph Party Poker email.

[Boris]

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These actions are in my opinion borderline gray areas, but the honest truth is the sites are better off acting the way they have. To create a situation where it's acceptable to blurr the line is dangerous for the tourneys.

The fact of the matter is, even if these guys play 2 or 3 accounts the likelyhood that they end up at the same table in a 500 player event let alone a 5000 player event is relatively small. Also keep in mind there is diminished rewards with each additional account they play. Let's say first place in a $200 tourney is $100k and 2nd is $60k, they can get a 500x return on the first $200 buy in, and only have the opportunity for a 300x return on the second. As you can see there is an inherent cost associated with playing multiple accounts. In my opinion this cost exceeds any edge they may gain in the unlikely chance that two of their acounts wind up at the same table. I personally don't care too much if a player plays multiple accounts in the big multi tourneys cuz in my eyes 99.9% of the time it just adds to the prize pool. As a common practice it does however become a problem in small tourneys less than 100 people.

Like I said however, I agree with the web sites taking a strong stance against the practice, because it becomes dangerous not to. There are too many habitual line steppers out there, most of which need to be on a leash and this policy does just that.

I don't however consider Justin one of these players.

On Justin's behalf, I know the kid very well, and have grown to have much respect for him as a person, player and friend. I've been 3 handed with him in $1k sng's many times, and even tho we communicate on Instant Messenger, NEVER has he suggested any foul play (if anything that would be a convenient time no?). At the end of the sng's he usually goes completely quiet. While he can be a little brash, I think he's a good kid he was just trying to maximize his winnings in a grey area that until recently appeared to be acceptable behavior.

-Ed Moncada

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You've got to be kidding me Ed. Just becuase you're friends with a cheat doesn't mean you should try and justify the cheat's actions. If fact you should consider distancing yourself from ZJ in order to protect your reputation in your chosen profession. Also, having multiple accounts playing when you are near or in the money is a huge advantage.

[Hendricks433]

You cant play with 2 accounts in the same STT from the same IP. Me and my roomates all had accounts like a year and a half ago and we tried all entering the same STT cause we wanted to have a "competition". We all didnt realize we sucked at the time. Anyway you cant do it. Only MTT's.

[ASanyasi]

What would you do to someone who takes $375 from your wallet ?

Yea, that's what I thought!
(You overestimate what I think about his "high profile status". I didn't even know who he was until I saw the message)

[MOMOwheeler]

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Playing 2 accounts in the same single table tournament would be an enormous advantage. Absolutely giant. I don't think playing 2 accounts in the same MTT makes much difference at all unless both accounts end up at the same table near the end of the tourney.

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I'll be the first to admit it if I'm wrong, but I would MUCH rather have single-entries in ten STTs than double entries in 5. (I think, at least.) It's just that dumping in a SnG doesn't double your prize EV. Or am I completely missing the point?

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The goal wouldnt be chip dumping in this situation. It's having the extra information (seeing 2 extra cards) and having the ability to initiate raises with seat holding rags for the seat holding a PP.

... the chip dumping part doesnt come until the end.

Any way you look at it; having 2 seats at the same STT is a monsterous advantage and most certainly +EV.

[Jshuttlesworth]

Ahh true. Thanks. Still not sure if this makes up for double-entry fee and the fact that you can only get an ROI of 3 on your second account. Not really a relevant/imprtant question, though.

[Dave D]

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I'm waiting for people that live together to get owned. then I am going to get really pissed off.

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Yeah, how do they prevent two honest roommates from getting screwed?

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The satisfaction of the millions who DONT play on a router with a roomate is FAR more important than the few who do,...

Call me cynical, but I dont want to be playing against ANY 2 or more people who are on the same IP together.

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This is a little unreasonable don't you think? I live with 3 other guys, 2 of which play online MTTs quite regularly (as do I).

I'll go days w/o even speaking to these roommates. Just because we live under the same roof doesn't mean we're close friends looking to collude in an MTT.

Sometimes in an MTT, I'll have one of my roommates message me an hour into the tournament saying "hey I just saw the tournament lobby and realized we're both in [x] MTT, good luck". Should we have our accounts locked and funds seized for this? C'mon man...

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No, but I think all a reasonable person is asking for is for party to watch you guys a little more closely. And it would be nice if their seating kept you guys apart as long as possible.


I think he means that if you absolutly had to pick, err on the side of being overly harsh w/ people who play on the same IP for the good of everyone.