Israel's Attack on Lebanon and Hezbollah

[Howard Beale]

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Population Israel: 6,352,117
Population United States: 298,444,215
In U.S. terms 8 dead Israeli soldiers equals 376 U.S. soldiers. Think about what the U.S. would do if a terrorist organization crossed our borders and killed 376 soldiers.

[/ QUOTE ]For the umpteenth time : This is NOT like tournament poker !

The value of every chip differs according to stack size in tournament poker --- but one human life equals one human life irrespective of stack size, i.e. size of population of the tribe the human life belongs to.

If 10 Israelis are killed as opposed to 1000 Arabs, we are not supposed to mourn the Jews any less (because they are Jews) or the Arabs any less (because the Arab populatiob is more numerous). This might be important information for a general directing his troops to war but it's got nothing to do with the moral objections raised here (and the objections are about morality, rather than anything else). Those objections focus on Israel's extremely disproportionate response to Hezbollah terrorism and on Israel's consequent escalation of the violence in the Middle East.

The whole argument abt the "relative worth" of human value is a very corny strawman.

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I didn't say anything about the worth of human lives. You've seen my exchange on this topic above. I simply stated the fact that 8 Israeli dead is ~376 American dead and asked readers to think about how America would respond to an invasion that led to 376 dead.

But, never mind all that. We are about to see a whole lot more dead. What's going on reminds me of the bar scene in 'A Bronx Tale'. Anybody here see that movie? A gang of bikers acts rowdy and disrespectful in one of the 'boys' bars. They are asked nicely to leave and they flip the 'boss' off. He locks the front door and tells them 'now you can't leave!', has his back-up come in the back and they kick the crap out of the bikers. Israel has blockaded the ports, shut down the airport and bombed the road to Syria. It seems to me that they've locked the door and now Hezbollah 'can't' leave. Enter the back-up and ............

[jman220]

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Yep, the Palestinians are definitely more concerned about the trash getting picked on time or officials getting kickbacks, rather than other daily facts of life such as getting humiliated at the roadblocks, tortured at the hands of the IDF, their neighborhood torn down or a bullet in the head.


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Oh please, social welfare issues are not about "the trash getting picked up on time." They're about essential governmental services not being provided because the Fatah leaders plundered and stole the money coming in as aid for the Palestinian People. Yassir Arafat died a very rich man.

[jman220]

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For the umpteenth time : This is NOT like tournament poker !

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Actually, game theory can be and is applied to pretty much every aspect of human life and interaction, from relationships between people, to war and peace, to economics and the stock market.

[jman220]

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Yep, the Palestinians are definitely more concerned about the trash getting picked on time or officials getting kickbacks, rather than other daily facts of life such as getting humiliated at the roadblocks, tortured at the hands of the IDF, their neighborhood torn down or a bullet in the head.


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Oh please, social welfare issues are not about "the trash getting picked up on time." They're about essential governmental services not being provided because the Fatah leaders plundered and stole the money coming in as aid for the Palestinian People. Yassir Arafat died a very rich man.

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Oh, and as for your comment deriding my "News Sources," Even Al-Jazeera reported that the main reason palestinians voted for Hamas seemed to be dissatisfaction with the way Fatah was governing domestically, but I guess Al-Jazeera's pro-western stance is showing again.

[Cyrus]

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8 Israeli dead is ~376 American dead.

[/ QUOTE ]There you go again. This is a wrong equation. They are not even "approximately" equal. 8 dead=8 dead. 376 dead=376 dead. 1 life=1 life.

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Think about how America would respond to an invasion that led to 376 dead.

[/ QUOTE ]Do you think that the U.S. government did some weird mathematical conversion of the 9/11 dead and decided that they are "too many" or "too few"?

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What's going on reminds me of the bar scene in 'A Bronx Tale'. A gang of bikers acts rowdy and disrespectful in one of the 'boys' bars. They are asked nicely to leave and they flip the 'boss' off. He locks the front door and tells them 'now you can't leave!', has his back-up come in the back and they kick the crap out of the bikers. Israel has blockaded the ports, shut down the airport and bombed the road to Syria. It seems to me that they've locked the door and now Hezbollah 'can't' leave. Enter the back-up and ...

[/ QUOTE ]That must be a comforting perspective.

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"Defense Minister Amir Peretz on Monday approved a plan to call up a limited number of Israel Defense Forces reservists, in the wake of the IDF's escalating offensive on Lebanon."

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Israeli military estimates that 25% of Hezbollah's rocket assets (estimated to be be 10K+) have been destroyed...

[C0pernicus]

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Arafat was a secular and moderate leader of Palestinians

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Ive got this really nice bridge between Manhattan and Brooklyn, and I'll sell it to you at a bargain price.

[ACPlayer]

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For the umpteenth time : This is NOT like tournament poker !

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Actually, game theory can be and is applied to pretty much every aspect of human life and interaction, from relationships between people, to war and peace, to economics and the stock market.

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Not sure if you are a poker player or not.

Do you know the difference between tournament poker and cash games? Hint: one of them has to do with short term vs long term calculations.

He did say tournament poker, right?

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"The Israel Navy began evaluating the possibility Monday that guided missile vessels could be deployed in the Haifa Bay to provide a defensive shield against rockets fired by Hezbollah in Lebanon against targets in Haifa and its environs."