Killing off the little guy (this time it's internet radio)

[pvn]

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I believe that in AC there will be some sort of copyright protection.

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It better, though using what mechanism without "forced relations" for either party? A purchaser agreement only stops copying by a purchaser.

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It doesn't even stop that.

Someone who goes against the producer's will but isn't bound by a contract may not be subject to punitive action, but most certainly could be excluded from future transactions by any number of people, even those not connected to any previous incidents.

[Skidoo]

It looks like someone could set up the equivalent of amazon.com and sell everything in print and on film without compensating the publishers, as long as this retailer can somehow acquire an inventory without these contracts.

[mmbt0ne]

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No, your incentive to invent and market the first lawnmower disappears when anyone else can just copy the idea and set up shop as your competition.

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And last time I checked, there are plenty of lawnmowers being produced.

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Yes. And some sell better than others because of the marketing for the respective products. However, that marketing is based around brand names and logos. With no IP protection, any firm is free to produce a similar product and use the same design, packaging and slogans.

You will argue that, even though you have no answer, the market will find one. I argue that the market cannot find an answer to this problem because a market cannot act rationally when subjected to theft (a similar claim to the whole foundation of AC). You will claim that the market actually has found a solution then, that there will be no new medicines/good music/whatever-this-debate-is-about-this-time because the producers cannot make a profit. At this point I will claim I would rather live in a statist society then, which brings the thread to a grinding halt with the always loved Nielsio/Skidoo-esque

[Skidoo]

Good first paragraph. I'm interested to hear the AC side make their own counterargument, however.

[pvn]

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No, your incentive to invent and market the first lawnmower disappears when anyone else can just copy the idea and set up shop as your competition.

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And last time I checked, there are plenty of lawnmowers being produced.

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Yes. And some sell better than others because of the marketing for the respective products. However, that marketing is based around brand names and logos. With no IP protection, any firm is free to produce a similar product and use the same design, packaging and slogans.

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Sure, if fraud is tolerated. Unfortunately, there's zero reason to think this would be the case. If you could demonstrate it, that would be great.

I like this technique, though. From now on I'll just pull some crazy assumption out of my ass and use that, then "deduce" your arguments from that point on.

[Nielsio]

Can someone sum up their reasoning for supporting a territorial monopolist?

I mean, if they think mercantalism (as explained in the OP) is a bad thing ofcourse.

[TomCollins]

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Can someone sum up their reasoning for supporting a territorial monopolist?

I mean, if they think mercantalism (as explained in the OP) is a bad thing ofcourse.

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I happen to enjoy the territorial monopoly I have over my property.

[Skidoo]

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Can someone sum up their reasoning for supporting a territorial monopolist?

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Sovereign power. Every territory has one.

[mmbt0ne]

pvn,

how is there fraud here with no protection for IP? If you start a band that plays my music somewhere else is that fraud?

[Skidoo]

Only if they play badly.