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#211
03-01-2007, 01:49 AM
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Re: ** The OFFICIAL NFL Mock Draft Thread **
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why on earth would MN pass on Quinn though Landry, Branch, Anderson or Adams would be a hell of a lot better than a WR [/ QUOTE ] apparently that Vikings are interested in QB Matt Schaub and may make a trade with Falcons for him. 
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#212
03-01-2007, 02:00 AM
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Re: ** The OFFICIAL NFL Mock Draft Thread **
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[ QUOTE ] why on earth would MN pass on Quinn though Landry, Branch, Anderson or Adams would be a hell of a lot better than a WR [/ QUOTE ] apparently that Vikings are interested in QB Matt Schaub and may make a trade with Falcons for him. [/ QUOTE ] Which is why I have a hard time with mock drafts being done before April. Having a list of best players is different. We have no idea what trades/free agent signings are going to happen.
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#213
03-01-2007, 02:04 AM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] why on earth would MN pass on Quinn though Landry, Branch, Anderson or Adams would be a hell of a lot better than a WR [/ QUOTE ] apparently that Vikings are interested in QB Matt Schaub and may make a trade with Falcons for him. [/ QUOTE ] Which is why I have a hard time with mock drafts being done before April. Having a list of best players is different. We have no idea what trades/free agent signings are going to happen. [/ QUOTE ] You imply that mock drafts are set in stone when they're being consistently changed.
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#214
03-01-2007, 03:19 AM
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[ QUOTE ] why on earth would MN pass on Quinn though Landry, Branch, Anderson or Adams would be a hell of a lot better than a WR [/ QUOTE ] The Vikings have one of the most tradeable picks in the draft. They really, really need a wide receiver. But any pick besides Calvin Johnson is a massive reach. If the Vikings want a receiver, they'll have to make a trade to move up and get Johnson or trade down to get a receiver like Dwayne Bowe or Ted Ginn Jr. Otherwise, they'll fix up one of the worst pass rushing defenses in the NFL with Jamaal Anderson. The main reason the Vikes won't get Quinn is because drafting a QB is planning for the long run and the Vikings want the tools to win next season, not 5 seasons from now. The NFC is a very volatile divison. There were several teams that had a chance at the playoffs on the last game of the season. Any small edge or improvement in the short run could mean a playoff berth. If they get any QB, it'll be off of free agency. [ QUOTE ] Cards won't draft Gaines...they'll take DT if they don't trade down. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree. Gaines Adams proved himself to be the best defensive player in this draft class at this year's scouting combine. If Joe Thomas doesn't drop to them (or they don't trade their pick), Arizona would be foolish to pass up on him. [/ QUOTE ] so they'll just cut either Bertrand Berry or Chike Okafor n take the cap hit instead of drafting the best DT which is a huge need?
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#215
03-01-2007, 04:01 AM
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Re: ** The OFFICIAL NFL Mock Draft Thread **
The Cardinals were 30th against the pass last season and the primary reason was the lack of a competent pass rush. Conversely, they were 16th against the rush.
Gaines Adams is the best defensive player in this draft, period. He was considered that before the combine and only enhanced his position after an oustanding combine. He arguably had the best combine of any defensive lineman who participated in drills. He's worth any possible cap hit they take. To not take him would be an act of idiocy that would make Matt Millen seem like a football genius.
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#216
03-01-2007, 04:28 AM
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The Cardinals were 30th against the pass last season and the primary reason was the lack of a competent pass rush(WRONG). Conversely, they were 16th against the rush. Gaines Adams is the best defensive player in this draft, period. He was considered that before the combine and only enhanced his position after an oustanding combine. He arguably had the best combine of any defensive lineman who participated in drills. He's worth any possible cap hit they take. To not take him would be an act of idiocy that would make Matt Millen seem like a football genius. [/ QUOTE ] and losing your dominant starting end for the season and having your other end be banged up all season + having one competant corner in Rolle along with only one safty has as much to do with their pass problems as the pass rush. The Cardinals are obviously not getting rid of Berry cuz Berry > Gaines. You could argue that Gaines could be better than Okafor, despite his 8.5 sacks, but Okafor is signed for several more seasons so I doubt they are going to pay him starting money to back up a #1 pick. So it makes far more sense to move down or take the best DT if he is comparable to Gaines in their eyes and most, everyone has Branch as going 6-10 than it does to draft Gaines when you have a pro bowl DE in Berry and a solid to above average end in Okafor. The Cardinals need a stud off tackle/shutdown CB/Free Safety/DT far more than they do a defensive end.
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#217
03-01-2007, 11:56 AM
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[ QUOTE ] The Cardinals were 30th against the pass last season and the primary reason was the lack of a competent pass rush(WRONG). Conversely, they were 16th against the rush. Gaines Adams is the best defensive player in this draft, period. He was considered that before the combine and only enhanced his position after an oustanding combine. He arguably had the best combine of any defensive lineman who participated in drills. He's worth any possible cap hit they take. To not take him would be an act of idiocy that would make Matt Millen seem like a football genius. [/ QUOTE ] and losing your dominant starting end for the season and having your other end be banged up all season + having one competant corner in Rolle along with only one safty has as much to do with their pass problems as the pass rush. The Cardinals are obviously not getting rid of Berry cuz Berry > Gaines. You could argue that Gaines could be better than Okafor, despite his 8.5 sacks, but Okafor is signed for several more seasons so I doubt they are going to pay him starting money to back up a #1 pick. So it makes far more sense to move down or take the best DT if he is comparable to Gaines in their eyes and most, everyone has Branch as going 6-10 than it does to draft Gaines when you have a pro bowl DE in Berry and a solid to above average end in Okafor. The Cardinals need a stud off tackle/shutdown CB/Free Safety/DT far more than they do a defensive end. [/ QUOTE ] The only they're fulfilling any of those positions (aside from DT) is by trading downward in the draft (or up to get Joe Thomas). Drafting a player like Levi Brown, Reggie Nelson, Darelle Revis etc is a massive reach and a poor value pick. Gaines Adams is better than both of the Cardinals defensive ends. They want to pass up on Adams, then it sucks to be them. When Adams gets rookie of the year for whatever team he gets drafted by, the Cardinals will be smacking their foreheads and regretting taking anybody else. Alan Branch wouldn't be a terrible pick, but it wouldn't be the best pick.
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#218
03-01-2007, 11:58 AM
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I have organized my list into a top 5 by position. Also included are general projections as to where they could go in the draft, which is not as precise as my mock draft itself. After this, I will do a top 50 overall followed by changing my avatar to Mel Kiper Jr. Top 5 by position QB: 1. JaMarcus Russell, LSU (Top 5) 2. Brady Quinn, Notre Dame (Top 10) 3. Drew Stanton, Michigan State (2nd round) 4. Troy Smith, Ohio State (2nd-3rd round) 5. Trent Edwards, Stanford (5th round+) RB/FB 1. Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma (Top 10) 2. Marshawn Lynch, California (1st round) 3. Michael Bush, Louisville (1st round – 2nd round) 4. Kenny Irons, Auburn (1st round – 2nd round) 5. Brian Leonard, Rutgers (2nd round - 3rd round) WR 1. Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech (Top 5) 2. Ted Ginn Jr., Ohio State (1st round) 3. Dwayne Jarrett, USC (1st round) 4. Sidney Rice, South Carolina (1st round - 2nd round) 5. Dwayne Bowe, LSU (1st round – 2nd round) TE 1. Zach Miller, Arizona State (1st round – 2nd round) 2. Greg Olsen, Miami (1st round - 2nd round) 3. Scott Chandler, Iowa (2nd round – 3rd round) 4. Matt Spaeth, Minnesota (3rd round – 4th round) 5. Clark Harris, Rutgers (4th round+) OL 1. Joe Thomas, OT, Wisconsin (Top 5) 2. Levi Brown, OT, Penn State (1st round) 3. Justin Blalock, OT/OG, Texas (1st round) 4. Tony Ugoh, OT, Arkansas (1st – 2nd round) 5. Aaron Sears, OT, Tennessee (1st round – 2nd round) DE 1. Gaines Adams, Clemson (Top 10) 2. Jamaal Anderson, Arkansas (Top 10) 3. Adam Carriker, Nebraska (1st round – 2nd round) 4. Quentin Moses, Georgia (1st round – 2nd round) 5. Jarvis Moss, Florida (1st round – 2nd round) DT 1. Alan Branch, Michigan (Top 10) 2. Amobi Okoye (1st round) 3. DeMarcus Tyler, North Carolina State (1st round – 2nd round) 4. Quinn Pitcock, Ohio State (1st round - 2nd round) 5. Justin Harrell, Tennessee (2nd round – 3rd round) LB 1. Patrik Willis, ILB, Ole Miss (1st round) 2. Paul Posluszny, OLB, Penn State (1st round) 3. Lawrence Timmons, OLB, Florida State (1st round - 2nd round) 4. Buster Davis, ILB, Florida State (1st round - 2nd round) 5. Rufus Alexander, OLB, Oklahoma (2nd round) CB 1. Leon Hall, Michigan (1st round) 2. Darrelle Revis, Pittsburgh (1st round) 3. Daymeion Hughes, California (1st round – 2nd round) 4. Marcus McCauley, Fresno State (1st round – 2nd round) 5. Aaron Ross, Texas (1st round – 2nd round) S 1. LaRon Landry, LSU (Top 10) 2. Reggie Nelson, Florida State (1st round) 3. Michael Griffin, Texas (1st round – 2nd round) 4. Brandon Merriweather, Miami (2nd round - 3rd round) 5. Eric Weddle, Utah (2nd round - 3rd round) [/ QUOTE ] No offense, but you need to update this. There is no way Robert Meachem is not in the top 5 WR, he's probably 2 or 3 after the combine. Also, Justin Harrell is in no way behind Quinn Pitcock and might even be the #3 DT on the board.
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