Official JUNE thread: Goals, Winrates, General Discussion, etc

[viciouspenguin]

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Haha you did but that play was pure garbage. Re-raising a UTG raise with 45 suited is spew any way you slice it. You're way behind my range and my range is mostly calling there too. And I'm not going away against your range of nonsense.

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So says Triumph who 4bet me OOP with 45s himself

[Triumph36]

LOLOL - that was SB vs. BB, a totally different spot.

You continue to show how well you understand this game.

And, it was 56 suited.

[viciouspenguin]

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LOLOL - that was SB vs. BB, a totally different spot.

You continue to show how well you understand this game.

And, it was 56 suited.

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Whatever, I know it's a completely different spot, I was just pointing it out...

[DJ Sensei]

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Haha you did but that play was pure garbage. Re-raising a UTG raise with 45 suited is spew any way you slice it. You're way behind my range and my range is mostly calling there too. And I'm not going away against your range of nonsense.

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THEN PREPARE TO MEET MY POCKET ROCKETS OF DOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!




and by pocket rockets of doom i mean suited one-gappers. cause those are totally sweet.

[DJ Sensei]

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Haha you did but that play was pure garbage. Re-raising a UTG raise with 45 suited is spew any way you slice it. You're way behind my range and my range is mostly calling there too. And I'm not going away against your range of nonsense.

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So says Triumph who 4bet me OOP with 45s himself

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Obviously, 4-betting with 54s is the hotness: look what happens!!!

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">SB ($618.25)</font>
<font color="#C00000">BB ($1157.06)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($712.56)</font>

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $3. Hero posts a blind of $6.
<font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $22</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $74</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $132</font>, Hero calls $55.

Flop: ($270) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $150</font>, Hero calls $150.

Turn: ($570) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($570) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB calls $333.25 (All-In), Hero calls $333.25.

Final Pot: $1236.50

Results:
SB has 5h 4h (full house, fours full of jacks).
BB has (full house, fours full of jacks).
Hero has Js Jd (four of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins $1236.50.

[viciouspenguin]

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You continue to show how well you understand this game.


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Well, Triumph, I'll entertain you with my fishy reasoning that hand, here it is:

That day we were only playing one table together. When you first sat down, you opened a hand, I threebet with AQo, and you 4bet. Since I was unknown to you at that point, since you didn't know my stats or anything, blah blah I knew you probably had a good hand so I folded.

Like an hour or so later you've picked up stats on me. As you probably remember I was playing very LAG and aggro at that table that hour. 3betting very thin, raising a lot preflop. You meanwhile were playing tight, probably tighter than usual with the lagtard to your left (me).

Folded to SB you have like 800-850 I cover. You open, which doesn't mean much. I threebet, which doesn't mean much. You know my 3bet doesn't mean much so you 4bet. Your 4bet felt different from the first time you 4bet me. Timing, etc. Also since you knew my range here was [censored] mostly, I figured you'd c/r allin the flop with a bigger hand rather than 4bet me preflop. I also figured you weren't good enough to 4bet me with AA here. So I put you on JJ at best. I actually should have just pushed preflop because you can't call here but I never considered folding in this situation.

Then you pansied out postflop (because I froze you with my preflop call), and I picked up an openended. with my KQo. I should have just potted the flop but you were giving me a free card so why not.

Sure, it looks ugly. For the record this is probably the one time in 80k NL hands I've ever played AQ or any other dominated hand this way. But whatever, who's the one 4betting 56s against a huge donkey who never folds? Anyways, you should not have bitched in the chat, because berating the fish is wrong.

[Triumph36]

Haha, whatever - I know you're a good player, don't give me any of that 'don't berate the fish' crap. I only berate decent players unless I'm on a serious downswing or megatilt. So when I say 'You continue to show how well you understand this game', I'm busting your balls and you shouldn't take it seriously.

That call with KQo is still abysmal and you're being results-oriented. I would've 4 bet you with AA there. AK, AQ, they're four-betting there since your three-betting range is so enormous. Perhaps you had a read on my timing - fine, but calling PF with KQ is still nonsense. Your check of the flop shows that you didn't go with your read PF because you had 2 overs + straight draw and you took a free card - why are you doing that? You flop an enormous hand and take a free card with it? Isn't it a favorite over my range? All you're doing is giving me a free shot to hit a possible set with the lower pocket pair I might have.

Your range to me was JJ-TT-99-88-AK, most of which hit that flop incredibly hard so betting there is just throwing money away.

If I were you and I'd been thinking, I would've bet 1/6th of the pot on the river so I would have no idea what you had. You did pair on the river after all. Of course if I were you and I'd been thinking, I would've dumped KQo, but whatever.

[viciouspenguin]

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Haha, whatever - I know you're a good player, don't give me any of that 'don't berate the fish' crap. I only berate decent players unless I'm on a serious downswing or megatilt. So when I say 'You continue to show how well you understand this game', I'm busting your balls and you shouldn't take it seriously.

That call with KQo is still abysmal and you're being results-oriented. I would've 4 bet you with AA there. AK, AQ, they're four-betting there since your three-betting range is so enormous. Perhaps you had a read on my timing - fine, but calling PF with KQ is still nonsense. Your check of the flop shows that you didn't go with your read PF because you had 2 overs + straight draw and you took a free card - why are you doing that? You flop an enormous hand and take a free card with it? Isn't it a favorite over my range? All you're doing is giving me a free shot to hit a possible set with the lower pocket pair I might have.

Your range to me was JJ-TT-99-88-AK, most of which hit that flop incredibly hard so betting there is just throwing money away.

If I were you and I'd been thinking, I would've bet 1/6th of the pot on the river so I would have no idea what you had. You did pair on the river after all. Of course if I were you and I'd been thinking, I would've dumped KQo, but whatever.

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In a vacuum I know the call sucks. Based on the flow of how I was playing, I was pretty sure I wouldn't get 4bet with QQ+ there. I'm sure often times when you 4bet, you do have AA, but at the time I thought you would not try to slow me down preflop. I was stupid and should have just folded or pushed pre, especially with your stack only like 125-150BB

I know I should have bet the flop, but I pansied out too. I figured you could easily have hit a set. It doesn't really matter anymore. I know my play looked horrible, most definitely -EV, but consider it a float of sorts.

I should have bet turn, I didn't, and then there wasn't any point to betting the river. The hand should have never gone to SD.

I noticed that you've been 3betting me light all day since then but one day I'll catch you, and I will definitely post that [censored] on 2p2 hahaha

[Triumph36]

Well just to let you know, I check a set there 0% of the time. I think there's a huge disconnect between your PF call and your flop check.

In a vacuum the call sucks and outside of a vacuum it's not very good either. I mean, KQo's reverse implied odds are total [censored], because if I have AK or AQ you're [censored], and if I have JJ or TT, you're only getting one more bet out of me. I just don't think enough of my range is total trash to call with it, but if you had a read on my timing I *suppose* it's okay but you should be pushing instead of calling.

But whatever, we've discussed the hand enough - I do respect your play and there was no reason for me to get so upset at the table, and to discuss it ad nauseam.

[viciouspenguin]

I respect your play too - I don't think we've played any other hands that have gotten past the flop.

Anyways, yes enough with this hand, and I haven't been running so great the past 20k hands either so forgive me if I've been senstiive.