ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[Matt24]

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2. His big tournament win on PokerStars was legitimate (we checked it carefully).

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damn

[Shakespeare]

Here, Here! If you realy want to impress us, find the rest of the scum, there are obviously more!

[ezmogee]

I guess you will have to go back to being jealous over the fact that he is, certfied and legitimately, a better poker player than you.

[woodguy]

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But I promise you that it's already gotten a lot harder to multi-account successfully on PokerStars, and is going to become more so.

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I hope so.

Good response Lee.

Thanks,
Woodguy

[Matt24]

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I guess you will have to go back to being jealous over the fact that he is, certfied and legitimately, a better poker player than you.

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I hope my sarcasm detector is off, but if its not, the reason I said damn is because I got 8th in that tourney and stood to get another 5k most likely not cuz I'm jealous of a 19 year old, give me a frickin break.

[ChoicestHops]

I never doubted ZeeJustin was a good poker player, it's just unfortunate he went to greed over ethics.

[Triumph36]

I'm going to post just to agree with curtains because I suspect most people won't. I think the people looking to get him banned from WSOP events, the WPT, etc. are so overjoyed at their own morality that they're looking to get a 'cheater' completely barred from poker. I don't think ZJ's offense merits that, and in light of the risk/reward it was incredibly stupid - only someone young could make such a hubristic error.

Supposedly, David Williams cheated at Magic: The Gathering - does that mean he cheats at poker too?

I hope that people think others can learn from their mistakes. I think that a lot of people are taking out their anger at possibly being cheated on ZJ - while there are bigger cheaters out there, they haven't been caught - they can't be a target.

[teddyFBI]

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1. He had a single extra PokerStars account which he rarely used.

2. His big tournament win on PokerStars was legitimate (we checked it carefully). The amount of money that we ascribed to illicit play was relatively small (less than $5K), and we confiscated that entire amount. We permitted him to cash out the balance over that.


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I think that largely sidesteps the point. It simply doesn't matter if his BIG WIN was legitimate, because ALL of his wins are equally tainted by his behavior, regardless of whether it influenced the one BIGGEST win or not. We all appreciate you entering this thread, Lee, but implying that his one big score should stand unaffected because he only had one entry in THAT tournament is a poor interpretation of the long-term effects of cheating/probability/running good/bad.
Imagine I'm a ring game player whose cheating M.O. is to have two of my aliases sit at one table so I know all 4 of their downcards, and play accordingly. Assume further that sometimes, I sit one of my 2 screenames out, so that I am only playing one account just like everyone else. Let's say that I happen to run VERY well when I'm only playing one hand and sitting out my other screename (let's say I win $20,000), but I run only mediocre when I AM playing 2 sets of down-cards at the table and I win only $4,000. Using the same logic you employed in concluding that ZJ's big score was "legitimate" would lead you to conclude in my above example that ONLY $4,000 was ill-gotten. I've got to disagree with you. The amount that was ill-gotten was $24,000. A cheater shouldn't be able to get a "windfall" simply because one of the times he was actually playing legitimately he ran particularly well. The cheating pervades ALL of his play, just like in my example above, the cheating taints EVERY hand at the table, not just the ones where the cheater got to see 2 sets of down-cards.
If you subscribe to the belief that our poker EV is ALL ONE BIG GAME, and that any distinctions we make between days or sessions is just a fictitious one, then you've got to conclude that ZJ's big win on Stars was ILLEGITIMATE, even while he may have only had one horse in THAT tourney.

[PuertoKid]

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Somebody needs to make a seperate thread and put all of the funny pics in this thread in one post. Maybe sticky it? This thread is too funny to go to waste.

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Yup. The mods' decision to have anything ZJ related confined to this thread is lame. We need a photoshop thread a separate MS Paint thread a contest for the caption below his name thread etc.

raisins

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The mods decision to confine all ZJ posts to one thread is a disservice to the community. It is perfectly fine to not allow it to take over the boards, but to confine to one thread, when that thread is pretty much unnavigable, is a form of suppressing the issue (intentional or not).

[EliotSpitzer]

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2. His big tournament win on PokerStars was legitimate (we checked it carefully). The amount of money that we ascribed to illicit play was relatively small (less than $5K), and we confiscated that entire amount. We permitted him to cash out the balance over that.


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Hi Lee,

Can you go into more detail on this "illicit play?" Was it multi-accounting or something else? Also, why would you go to the trouble of determining which amount of ZJ's account was attributable to "illicit play?" Are you saying that I can come onto your site and cheat and the only thing I will have to worry about is losing whatever I cheated people out of? That doesn't seem like such a bad deal for a cheater. Especially if the cheater is a multi-accounter and will just go open an account in another person's name anyway.

I think you should re-think your confiscatin policy in regards to cheaters. If I'm a cheater, I would love to play on your site and hate to play on Party's.