FT Sweat--WCOOP Shootout with AJunglen

[schwah]

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Congrats,
BTW if I'm Zock and Rock there is like a 98% chance I'm raising everyhand.
That being said I think stars should stop the tourney.

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yeah stars should definitely be stopping the tourney for at least 15-20 minutes if someone discs when its hu in a major tourney... probably longer

a while back i disced when i was hu in the bodog 100k and they paused the tourney for like 10 minutes until i got back on... i was pretty suprised, didnt think bodog even had anyone watching the fts.

[A_Junglen]

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Congrats,
BTW if I'm Zock and Rock there is like a 98% chance I'm raising everyhand.
That being said I think stars should stop the tourney.

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Are you serious?

Everyone was talking about "how classy ZockNRock was" to have PS pause the tournament. (at his discretion)

While I do agree it was classy, I think it was more of "not a scumbag move", and incredibly standard. He would lose all respect in the poker community if he had blinded out lyerly

[Marwan]

ya it was a pretty standard play for anyone with any decency.. I was d/c once during a thunderstorm in a 5 dollar tournament when I first started playing.. there was like 50 left and I felt like absolute [censored].. I could only imagine getting d/c with this much on the line

that said, I'm sure a lot of poker players would go for the jugular in that situation and blind him off as quickly as possible.

[A_Junglen]

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that said, I'm sure a lot of poker players would go for the jugular in that situation and blind him off as quickly as possible.

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I strongly disagree for reasons I already mentioned. He was heads up in a WCOOP event. This wasn't some $20 FO. Stars support was standing by. Thousands of people were railing

Again, if ZockNRock (or w/e his name was) had blinded him out he would've lost ALL respect in the poker world - which is something that's difficult to earn and nearly impossible to get back.

[THEOSU]

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that said, I'm sure a lot of poker players would go for the jugular in that situation and blind him off as quickly as possible.

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I strongly disagree for reasons I already mentioned. He was heads up in a WCOOP event. This wasn't some $20 FO. Stars support was standing by. Thousands of people were railing

Again, if ZockNRock (or w/e his name was) had blinded him out he would've lost ALL respect in the poker world - which is something that's difficult to earn and nearly impossible to get back.

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adam,

i honestly couldn't give a crap about respek in the poker world.

i would ask for the tourney to be paused in that situation simply because it's the right thing to do, and because i would ask for the same to be done if i was the one disconnected. it doesn't matter if it's a wcoop event or a 5 dollar tournament.

interestingly, at a full table i have no problem abusing someone who is disconnected.

[Marwan]

ya.. but by a lot of poker players, I mean the people who don't have a standing in the poker community and couldn't care less.. I'd expect a lot of random players to keep stealing his blinds with a chip deficit and so much b/w 1st and 2nd.. Maybe I'm too cynical, but money brings out the worst in a lot of people.

I'm sure of the regular members here though, like 95%+ would do the right thing

[Pudge714]

Junglen,
You are arguing that his motivation should be so that he doesn't lose respect in the poker community. Why should that effect ones ethics?
It shouldn't matter if it is a WCOOP event or a $2 tourney.
How many people need to be on the rail for this to be unethical?
As OSU alluded to if you have 72o folded in the sb with BB disconnected. at a full table. Do you fold?
In a cash game if you get to the river with air at a no dp table and the other guy disconnects do you bet?
Etc.

[A_Junglen]

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Junglen,
You are arguing that his motivation should be so that he doesn't lose respect in the poker community. Why should that effect ones ethics?
It shouldn't matter if it is a WCOOP event or a $2 tourney.
How many people need to be on the rail for this to be unethical?
As OSU alluded to if you have 72o folded in the sb with BB disconnected. at a full table. Do you fold?
In a cash game if you get to the river with air at a no dp table and the other guy disconnects do you bet?
Etc.

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If I were heads up in a WCOOP event and my opponent disconnected and I blinded him out (which I most certainly would not - obviously), would you think less of me? Through the eyes of myself, my friends, the media, would I have truly won the tournament? I would've technically taken first place, but only because I took advantage of my opponent disconnecting. Considering the circumstances, I would've no doubt, 100% lost respect in the poker world.

It's essentially robbing him, especially in a day and age where people can find another internet connection within 10-15 minutes at a friends house or coffee shop or something.

Your comparison of blinding out an opponent in a $2 MTT and blinding one out of a WCOOP (saying there is no difference) is just wrong. These are the biggest and most prestigious online tournaments of the year. Poker reporting sites cover them, winners are awarded a bracelet (which are recognizeable enough for people to note them as major accomplishments. For example: "James Mackey is the first player to ever win a WSOP and WCOOP Bracelet in the same year."

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As OSU alluded to if you have 72o folded in the sb with BB disconnected. at a full table. Do you fold?
In a cash game if you get to the river with air at a no dp table and the other guy disconnects do you bet?
Etc.

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These example/analogy's aren't really close to blinding out a disconnected opponent HU for a WCOOP title. Obviously at a full table you're not not paying much per round for sitting out.

An opponent was disconnected early on at the start of the FT. There were 30 chips in the pot preflop and everyone had 3k starting stacks. He came back and lost an irrelevant amount of chips. When they were heads up there was 510 chips in the middle preflop before the cards were dealt with 27k in the play

The cash game example...well when you sit down at a table lacking disconnection protection you know what you're getting into.

[A_Junglen]

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ya.. but by a lot of poker players, I mean the people who don't have a standing in the poker community and couldn't care less.. I'd expect a lot of random players to keep stealing his blinds with a chip deficit and so much b/w 1st and 2nd.. Maybe I'm too cynical, but money brings out the worst in a lot of people.

I'm sure of the regular members here though, like 95%+ would do the right thing

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I suppose it is possible that I'm just accustomed to being surrounded by my friends - whom are all very nice people with a lot of integrity.

[Pudge714]

Junglen,
You shouldn't be blinding him out because it is the right thing to do. Not because you will lose prestige or people will think less of you or your bracelet will be tainted. If you are arguing the latter you are arguing that it is more +EV to let him reconnect and keep your reputation not that you are doing the right thing.
The different buyins of MTTs are not completely analgous as stealing $1 is different from stealing $100000, however stealing is still fundamentally unethical and you can't justify stealing $1 by saying well if it was $10000 I wouldn't steal it. This goes for the full table thing as well you can't say well I'm just taking a little bit of his equity so it's ok at what arbitrary line should you stop.
At the FT of a $10 tourney, $20, $30, etc.

As for the cash game example when I sit down to play a tournament I understand when I disconnect people can steal my blinds.