Several Hotshots Supposedly Broke Or In Debt

[Moose]

No self-bias here. I don't profess that there is an equal skill level, but rather that the difference is not as big as the pros make it out to be. They make it sound like they got where they are because they have super-human powers.

I will go on record and say the difference in skill level between the best NL Holdem player and myself is far smaller than the difference between the best player at any sport and a player who has achieved an equivalent modest success level as myself.

The pro players propogate a myth because that myth puts money in their pocket. They make you think the ability to push all-in and get called by a gutshot or the ability to muck KK on an A-x-x board is something only pros can do.

[nutsflopper]

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David,

You are one lame old man and I'd much rather be any of these broke hotshots than be your panzy ass. You take great comfort in these big famous names, who get to make money off TV deals and bone D list celebrities, when they go broke. You remind me of my HS chemistry teacher who had a PHD in chemistry, you consistently tell everyone (I read a few recent posts of yours in the finance forums) that you are a lazy genius, and quite frankly I admire the scrappy idiot or the John Robert Belland's of the world more than I admire you and your advanced yet waste of space intellect.

This is the lamest piece of gossip ever, made even more lame by the fact that you refuse to out anyone yet state that Guy staked one of these big losers. Great David, the whole [censored] world knows that Guy stakes Booth, you are a BIG MAN for keeping names out of this thread.

How about you leave NVG until you come back with actual gossip that people might care about? And while we're on the topic, how about you show a little courtesy for the players you sit with in cash games? You annoy everyone endlessly when you constantly leave the table to go check on horses/Brandi.

"Who knows the great enthusiams, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who have never known neither victory nor defeat." teddy r

These hotshots might be broke, but at least they probably went down with a fight and had some life to their step and are not spending their entire life underachieving.

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I respect you for honstly expressing your opinion.

[nutsflopper]

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gg strass

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You mean NH strass right?

[pete fabrizio]

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No self-bias here. I don't profess that there is an equal skill level, but rather that the difference is not as big as the pros make it out to be. They make it sound like they got where they are because they have super-human powers.

I will go on record and say the difference in skill level between the best NL Holdem player and myself is far smaller than the difference between the best player at any sport and a player who has achieved an equivalent modest success level as myself.

The pro players propogate a myth because that myth puts money in their pocket. They make you think the ability to push all-in and get called by a gutshot or the ability to muck KK on an A-x-x board is something only pros can do.

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There is no such a thing as "more skill" in one game of skill v. another, there are only different lengths of convergence. A 3 standard deviation chess player will beat a 2 standard deviation chess player close to 100% of the time. But a 3 standard deviation poker player will beat a 2 standard deviation poker player just as often -- you just have to make the match longer.

[daryn]

i hear what strassa is saying, but i don't think sklansky mentioned the cirque guy was staking one of the busto guys. so nevermind that part of strassman's post. of course the rest was hot.

[Moose]

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No self-bias here. I don't profess that there is an equal skill level, but rather that the difference is not as big as the pros make it out to be. They make it sound like they got where they are because they have super-human powers.

I will go on record and say the difference in skill level between the best NL Holdem player and myself is far smaller than the difference between the best player at any sport and a player who has achieved an equivalent modest success level as myself.

The pro players propogate a myth because that myth puts money in their pocket. They make you think the ability to push all-in and get called by a gutshot or the ability to muck KK on an A-x-x board is something only pros can do.

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There is no such a thing as "more skill" in one game of skill v. another, there are only different lengths of convergence. A 3 standard deviation chess player will beat a 2 standard deviation chess player close to 100% of the time. But a 3 standard deviation poker player will beat a 2 standard deviation poker player just as often -- you just have to make the match longer.

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However, the difference between the greatest chess player and the median chess player is far, far greater in terms of SD than the difference between the greatest poker player and the median poker player.

In otherwords, whereever I rank on the poker continuum, call it the Xth percentile.. the difference between the Xth percentile player and the world's greatest in poker is far lesser than the difference between the Xth percentile player and the world's greatest chess player, measured in terms of SD.

I hope that makes sense, because I know full well the idea I'm trying to say.

[stinkypete]

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No self-bias here. I don't profess that there is an equal skill level, but rather that the difference is not as big as the pros make it out to be. They make it sound like they got where they are because they have super-human powers.

I will go on record and say the difference in skill level between the best NL Holdem player and myself is far smaller than the difference between the best player at any sport and a player who has achieved an equivalent modest success level as myself.

The pro players propogate a myth because that myth puts money in their pocket. They make you think the ability to push all-in and get called by a gutshot or the ability to muck KK on an A-x-x board is something only pros can do.

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There is no such a thing as "more skill" in one game of skill v. another, there are only different lengths of convergence. A 3 standard deviation chess player will beat a 2 standard deviation chess player close to 100% of the time. But a 3 standard deviation poker player will beat a 2 standard deviation poker player just as often -- you just have to make the match longer.

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However, the difference between the greatest chess player and the median chess player is far, far greater in terms of SD than the difference between the greatest poker player and the median poker player.

In otherwords, whereever I rank on the poker continuum, call it the Xth percentile.. the difference between the Xth percentile player and the world's greatest in poker is far lesser than the difference between the Xth percentile player and the world's greatest chess player, measured in terms of SD.

I hope that makes sense, because I know full well the idea I'm trying to say.

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you just said what he said in a different way.

[seemorenuts]

Z=3 vs Z=2 makes it a 75/25 (or less! maybe 60-40) probability of winning for the better player, check Elo out on google, off the top of my head.

The difference in Z has to be about 4 to have a 100-0 type of result.

As for the comparison between chess and poker, you only know how good you are after a life-time of results, and that's why Sklansky plays the way he does.

[Gildwulf]

re: strassa,

Jesus I gotta read NVG more.

Regardless of how David acts on twoplustwo or at the tables though, it's pretty ironic that you call Sklansky 'underachieving' in a post on his (highly successful) poker discussion website.

[seemorenuts]

I would love to post real gossip here but evenkeal told me to be careful, that what people want is to crucify you after you deliver the goods... ha ha ha ha... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

All the news would be ancient history anyhow:

Lederer down millions, Barry down $10M and Cloutier... (begging for $5 from strangers in the deep south, two years ago, lol, heard it from some reliable sources, hope he's better now)

Negreanu states in his blog he's not in the mood to play poker, skipping the WPT and resting up for the WSOP.

I hope he spends some decent time with his protege, because I've been told that this hasn't been the case.