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03-01-2007, 09:09 PM
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[ QUOTE ] I lived in LA for a while and an idiot going 35 in the left hand lane of the 405 while everyone is going 70 is going to cause other accidents because of people trying to get around him. [/ QUOTE ] Wrong, it is the idiot overtaking unsafely who is causing an accident. [/ QUOTE ] And the moron who is going too slow in the left hand lane--is he without blame or fault here? 
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#192
03-01-2007, 09:10 PM
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"Would you be offended if the government forced auto manufactures to put breathalizers in every car?" 15,000 people are killed every year by drunk drivers. Maybe it's not a bad idea. "Only" 3,000 were killed on 9/11. [/ QUOTE ] If the government did everything it could to save 15,000 lives a year every time an idea came up for a way to do it (ban transfats, put breathalyzers in cars, ration cigarettes to 2 packs a week, ration alcohol to 7 drinks per week, police write tickets if you don't use snow tires in the North, and every other little thing that might save 15,000 lives per year): we might save 1.5 million lives per year, or even more, with all those measures; but it wouldn't be worth it. It's worth taking a bit more risk in order to be free from being constantly: watched over, guarded over, hounded, hassled, inconvenienced, busybodied, henpecked, nitpicked, bothered and bewildered by what are growing to be soon a billion regulations and rules by which we must all live our lives - or else. Aren't you starting to get sick of it, too? Frankly, I'm getting to where I don't give a damn if 15,000 more people die or not. Just leave me alone to live in peace; and I'm sure many other Americans feel exactly the same way if they stop and think about it.
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#193
03-01-2007, 09:13 PM
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I think we would be better off if the signs stayed and the enforcement completely stopped [/ QUOTE ] I often wonder this when high, that being what would driving be like without any enforcement of traffic laws? It would be an interesting sociological experiment to say the least.
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#194
03-01-2007, 09:19 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I lived in LA for a while and an idiot going 35 in the left hand lane of the 405 while everyone is going 70 is going to cause other accidents because of people trying to get around him. [/ QUOTE ] Wrong, it is the idiot overtaking unsafely who is causing an accident. [/ QUOTE ] And the moron who is going too slow in the left hand lane--is he without blame or fault here? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, absolutely blameless. The only moran is the one overtaking unsafely!
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#195
03-01-2007, 09:19 PM
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[ QUOTE ] "Would you be offended if the government forced auto manufactures to put breathalizers in every car?" 15,000 people are killed every year by drunk drivers. Maybe it's not a bad idea. "Only" 3,000 were killed on 9/11. [/ QUOTE ] If the government did everything it could to save 15,000 lives a year every time an idea came up for a way to do it (ban transfats, put breathalyzers in cars, ration cigarettes to 2 packs a week, ration alcohol to 7 drinks per week, police write tickets if you don't use snow tires in the North, and every other little thing that might save 15,000 lives per year): we might save 1.5 million lives per year, or even more, with all those measures; but it wouldn't be worth it. It's worth taking a bit more risk in order to be free from being constantly: watched over, guarded over, hounded, hassled, inconvenienced, busybodied, henpecked, nitpicked, bothered and bewildered by what are growing to be soon a billion regulations and rules by which we must all live our lives - or else. Aren't you starting to get sick of it, too? Frankly, I'm getting to where I don't give a damn if 15,000 more people die or not. Just leave me alone to live in peace; and I'm sure many other Americans feel exactly the same way if they stop and think about it. [/ QUOTE ] [The] right to be let alone - the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men. BRANDEIS, U.S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE LOUIS, Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 479 (1928)
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#196
03-01-2007, 09:23 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "Would you be offended if the government forced auto manufactures to put breathalizers in every car?" 15,000 people are killed every year by drunk drivers. Maybe it's not a bad idea. "Only" 3,000 were killed on 9/11. [/ QUOTE ] If the government did everything it could to save 15,000 lives a year every time an idea came up for a way to do it (ban transfats, put breathalyzers in cars, ration cigarettes to 2 packs a week, ration alcohol to 7 drinks per week, police write tickets if you don't use snow tires in the North, and every other little thing that might save 15,000 lives per year): we might save 1.5 million lives per year, or even more, with all those measures; but it wouldn't be worth it. It's worth taking a bit more risk in order to be free from being constantly: watched over, guarded over, hounded, hassled, inconvenienced, busybodied, henpecked, nitpicked, bothered and bewildered by what are growing to be soon a billion regulations and rules by which we must all live our lives - or else. Aren't you starting to get sick of it, too? Frankly, I'm getting to where I don't give a damn if 15,000 more people die or not. Just leave me alone to live in peace; and I'm sure many other Americans feel exactly the same way if they stop and think about it. [/ QUOTE ] [The] right to be let alone - the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men. BRANDEIS, U.S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE LOUIS, Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 479 (1928) [/ QUOTE ] Because wiretapping of your private phone is very analogous to driving on public (or private) roads.
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#197
03-01-2007, 09:53 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "Would you be offended if the government forced auto manufactures to put breathalizers in every car?" 15,000 people are killed every year by drunk drivers. Maybe it's not a bad idea. "Only" 3,000 were killed on 9/11. [/ QUOTE ] If the government did everything it could to save 15,000 lives a year every time an idea came up for a way to do it (ban transfats, put breathalyzers in cars, ration cigarettes to 2 packs a week, ration alcohol to 7 drinks per week, police write tickets if you don't use snow tires in the North, and every other little thing that might save 15,000 lives per year): we might save 1.5 million lives per year, or even more, with all those measures; but it wouldn't be worth it. It's worth taking a bit more risk in order to be free from being constantly: watched over, guarded over, hounded, hassled, inconvenienced, busybodied, henpecked, nitpicked, bothered and bewildered by what are growing to be soon a billion regulations and rules by which we must all live our lives - or else. Aren't you starting to get sick of it, too? Frankly, I'm getting to where I don't give a damn if 15,000 more people die or not. Just leave me alone to live in peace; and I'm sure many other Americans feel exactly the same way if they stop and think about it. [/ QUOTE ] [The] right to be let alone - the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men. BRANDEIS, U.S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE LOUIS, Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 479 (1928) [/ QUOTE ] Because wiretapping of your private phone is very analogous to driving on public (or private) roads. [/ QUOTE ] Where did you find "wiretapping" in any of the above?
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#198
03-01-2007, 10:56 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "Would you be offended if the government forced auto manufactures to put breathalizers in every car?" 15,000 people are killed every year by drunk drivers. Maybe it's not a bad idea. "Only" 3,000 were killed on 9/11. [/ QUOTE ] If the government did everything it could to save 15,000 lives a year every time an idea came up for a way to do it (ban transfats, put breathalyzers in cars, ration cigarettes to 2 packs a week, ration alcohol to 7 drinks per week, police write tickets if you don't use snow tires in the North, and every other little thing that might save 15,000 lives per year): we might save 1.5 million lives per year, or even more, with all those measures; but it wouldn't be worth it. It's worth taking a bit more risk in order to be free from being constantly: watched over, guarded over, hounded, hassled, inconvenienced, busybodied, henpecked, nitpicked, bothered and bewildered by what are growing to be soon a billion regulations and rules by which we must all live our lives - or else. Aren't you starting to get sick of it, too? Frankly, I'm getting to where I don't give a damn if 15,000 more people die or not. Just leave me alone to live in peace; and I'm sure many other Americans feel exactly the same way if they stop and think about it. [/ QUOTE ] [The] right to be let alone - the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men. BRANDEIS, U.S. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE LOUIS, Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 479 (1928) [/ QUOTE ] Because wiretapping of your private phone is very analogous to driving on public (or private) roads. [/ QUOTE ] Where did you find "wiretapping" in any of the above? [/ QUOTE ] Olmstead v. United States Now I agree that if you want to be left alone on your property and you aren't harming other people, that's definitely a right. I don't believe that once you begin to interact with other people that becomes a little weaker. If I'm travelling down a private road and that road has speed limits, I am in the wrong if I break those rules and have no right to do so.
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03-01-2007, 11:23 PM
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Re: Speeding Cameras
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I lived in LA for a while and an idiot going 35 in the left hand lane of the 405 while everyone is going 70 is going to cause other accidents because of people trying to get around him. [/ QUOTE ] Wrong, it is the idiot overtaking unsafely who is causing an accident. [/ QUOTE ] And the moron who is going too slow in the left hand lane--is he without blame or fault here? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, absolutely blameless. The only moran is the one overtaking unsafely! [/ QUOTE ] No offense dude--but it is people that think like you that cause many of these mini "road rage" events which actually cause those people to attempt to pass unsafely. Traffic on the road should move with a certain flow. People who impede this flow by driving too fast or too slow in their respective lanes are the people who are most likely to be involved or cause accidents. This has nothing to do with speed limits, but rather the speed that traffic has decided to go, whether higher or lower than the posted limit.
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