Your new WSOP champ is a chump.

[bpb]

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Considering that the 2% withheld translates to approx. $120 per 1 hr dealt in the tournament...he is supposed to give more on top of that?

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This is awful math.. Even if only the dealers got 2%, which is not the case, you still have around 25k-30k man hours spent during the course of the tourney. ~250 dealers for approaching 60 hours each for the first day(s) and day 2 alone, on 15 hour shifts. I get around 45-60/hr. We all know there's no way the dealers got that much hourly.

There's still no really specific line of anything i've read that says that the dealers get that 2% either in full or as a tip.

As far as I can tell, a lot of it goes to non-dealing 'tournament staff' and pays their regular wages. Where the heck does it say anything about being a tip?

"4% of the total entry pool will be withheld for the house.
2% of the total entry pool will be withheld for tournament staff."

The word tip is notably absent.

-kyo

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Why the hell are you having problems understanding EXTREMELY simple concepts?

2% of the prize pool was withheld as GRATUITY for the dealers and tournament staff. This amount is over and above their base pay. THIS IS A FACT. Why can't you accept that over 1 million dollars was set aside for this?

I don't care if you call it a tip, gratuity, or super happy extra fun money. It was taken from the PRIZE POOL and set aside.

[Maulik]

i spent way too much time reading this thread, worthless.

[2+2 wannabe]

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i spent way too much time reading this thread, worthless.

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[MrBlini]

I would have tipped 1% of my share of the prize pool before Harrah's Huge Hit, since 2% was already removed for a gratuity and 3% seems customary.

In fact, I did tip 1% of my share of the prize pool, and the calculation was not so very difficult. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[Kyo Souma II]

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Considering that the 2% withheld translates to approx. $120 per 1 hr dealt in the tournament...he is supposed to give more on top of that?

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This is awful math.. Even if only the dealers got 2%, which is not the case, you still have around 25k-30k man hours spent during the course of the tourney. ~250 dealers for approaching 60 hours each for the first day(s) and day 2 alone, on 15 hour shifts. I get around 45-60/hr. We all know there's no way the dealers got that much hourly.

There's still no really specific line of anything i've read that says that the dealers get that 2% either in full or as a tip.

As far as I can tell, a lot of it goes to non-dealing 'tournament staff' and pays their regular wages. Where the heck does it say anything about being a tip?

"4% of the total entry pool will be withheld for the house.
2% of the total entry pool will be withheld for tournament staff."

The word tip is notably absent.

-kyo

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Why the hell are you having problems understanding EXTREMELY simple concepts?

2% of the prize pool was withheld as GRATUITY for the dealers and tournament staff. This amount is over and above their base pay. THIS IS A FACT. Why can't you accept that over 1 million dollars was set aside for this?

I don't care if you call it a tip, gratuity, or super happy extra fun money. It was taken from the PRIZE POOL and set aside.

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I don't believe that 2% being 'withheld for tournament staff' equates to a 2% tip for dealers.

I don't see how the semantics of the situation might not cloud my judgement to the point of "I'll believe it when I see it" with so many damn ambiguities in how much was reserved for how many people. It's very easy to believe that a large chunk of this cash either went to floormen or went towards paying the hourly rate of the dealers in the first place.

How can you determine that it's cash above and beyond their hourly wages? Do you have access to their accounting records?

You make me out to be the biggest dunce in the classroom. I just want some proof or clarification that this is a tip and not a means of paying their actual wages.

And to the fool who claimed that I was dramatically claiming that the wsop was a $9400 buyin tourney with a $600 entry fee.. I was. It says so on their damn home page.

-kyo

[Rzitup]

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Considering that the 2% withheld translates to approx. $120 per 1 hr dealt in the tournament...he is supposed to give more on top of that?

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This is awful math.. Even if only the dealers got 2%, which is not the case, you still have around 25k-30k man hours spent during the course of the tourney. ~250 dealers for approaching 60 hours each for the first day(s) and day 2 alone, on 15 hour shifts. I get around 45-60/hr. We all know there's no way the dealers got that much hourly.

There's still no really specific line of anything i've read that says that the dealers get that 2% either in full or as a tip.

As far as I can tell, a lot of it goes to non-dealing 'tournament staff' and pays their regular wages. Where the heck does it say anything about being a tip?

"4% of the total entry pool will be withheld for the house.
2% of the total entry pool will be withheld for tournament staff."

The word tip is notably absent.

-kyo

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Why the hell are you having problems understanding EXTREMELY simple concepts?

2% of the prize pool was withheld as GRATUITY for the dealers and tournament staff. This amount is over and above their base pay. THIS IS A FACT. Why can't you accept that over 1 million dollars was set aside for this?

I don't care if you call it a tip, gratuity, or super happy extra fun money. It was taken from the PRIZE POOL and set aside.

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I don't believe that 2% being 'withheld for tournament staff' equates to a 2% tip for dealers.

I don't see how the semantics of the situation might not cloud my judgement to the point of "I'll believe it when I see it" with so many damn ambiguities in how much was reserved for how many people. It's very easy to believe that a large chunk of this cash either went to floormen or went towards paying the hourly rate of the dealers in the first place.

How can you determine that it's cash above and beyond their hourly wages? Do you have access to their accounting records?

You make me out to be the biggest dunce in the classroom. I just want some proof or clarification that this is a tip and not a means of paying their actual wages.

And to the fool who claimed that I was dramatically claiming that the wsop was a $9400 buyin tourney with a $600 entry fee.. I was. It says so on their damn home page.

-kyo

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The only 'proof' or clarification you are going to get would be from someone that knows anything about how it is done.
Last year I was soley responsible for ALL money that was collected or paid out from/to the players and soley responsible for collecting the toke money and distributing it to the employees.
The 2% (3% and 4% in other events) is taken specifically as a tip for the employees. It is not for the dealers, it is for the entire tournament staff. It does not go to cover any hourly wages. It is broken down on a percentage basis according to position. Last year 65% of the toke pool for each event went to the dealers. The other 35% went to the floor staff.
Of course they could have done things completely different this year, but that is unlikely.

[MicroBob]

haven't read the whole thread...
just wanted to point out that the dealers at the WSOP were generally not very good.



some of the dealers will be travelling for the WSOP circuit events. Not sure if that is relevent at all but I felt like bringing that up.

[Morpheus]

He didn't win 7.5 million by the way. He won like 3.7 million after taxes. Taxes are a bitch. You shouldn't have to tip at all and it looks ridiculous to see it on TV. I saw that one guy, Ted Lawson, who won the Omaha last year, pull some money out of his wallet immediately after winning and he looked like a moron on TV for doing that.

I won $2000 on the blackjack table many times but also lost a good sum and got into a huge argument with this Asian dealer for only tipping $5 after such a win. I only played 30 minutes. I got up and she started bitching and I said, "look, I only played 30 minutes. You got paid decent for 30 minutes of work. " She kept bitching and bitching and wouldn't stop so I walked to the cashier.

[Morpheus]

$1 million already taken from the prize pool ? That means he only made like $3 million then after taxes. And Raymer probably only took home like 1.5 million or something after his win. Be nice if Raymer could tell us how they actually do it and when he actually saw the money in his living room.

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He didn't win 7.5 million by the way. He won like 3.7 million after taxes. Taxes are a bitch. You shouldn't have to tip at all and it looks ridiculous to see it on TV. I saw that one guy, Ted Lawson, who won the Omaha last year, pull some money out of his wallet immediately after winning and he looked like a moron on TV for doing that.

I won $2000 on the blackjack table many times but also lost a good sum and got into a huge argument with this Asian dealer for only tipping $5 after such a win. I only played 30 minutes. I got up and she started bitching and I said, "look, I only played 30 minutes. You got paid decent for 30 minutes of work. " She kept bitching and bitching and wouldn't stop so I walked to the cashier.

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Another moron.