JTo river

[ggbman]

Oops Jk, much closer than i originally thought. Sure, raise and fold to a 3 bet!

Also, spydog, wtf, folding here is basically always terrible, trust me.

[PartyGirlUK]

I dont like raise/fold. I think button could well have an ace and will overcall with it. Will he call 2 cold with just 1 pair?

[gaming_mouse]

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What would you do besides call here?

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There are eight combos of Ax[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] that I beat here and the one that I am losing to is very unlikely (turn action).

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Why do they have to be clubs? Why can't he have A4 or A9?

[ggbman]

Oh, oh i still like calling myself...

I was saying that if he wants to raise/fold i don't think it's horrible, but i mean calling here seems best to me. If we call and it gets raised behind us, i would call as well, as sometimes AK/AQ will look for a value raise here.

[Jens]

It seems somewhat close, but I think calling is better as it´s 3-way and it lets button overcall one-pair hands, that he may fold for two cold.

Folding would be horrible, even if he seems passive. I wouldn´t fold against someone where my read is based only on stats either. Actually, I dont think I´d ever fold here.

[jason_t]

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What would you do besides call here?

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There are eight combos of Ax[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] that I beat here and the one that I am losing to is very unlikely (turn action).

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Why do they have to be clubs? Why can't he have A4 or A9?

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I was merely pointing out some combos of hands that people I talked to on AIM missed when analyzing this hand with me. Clearly saying that his hand-range is exactly Ax[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is absurd.

[benlj21]

Nate, you said this exact same thing about another hand in higher stakes and I think it applies here.
"Raising is superbad because you are often behind plus you shut out the overcaller."
Granted, the overcaller may be planning on folding his busted flush draw anyway, but I think this is a call. I'd be worried about A9.

[Jeffage]

I prefer betting the flop and checkraising the turn.

Jeff

[gaming_mouse]

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What would you do besides call here?

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There are eight combos of Ax[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] that I beat here and the one that I am losing to is very unlikely (turn action).

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Why do they have to be clubs? Why can't he have A4 or A9?

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I was merely pointing out some combos of hands that people I talked to on AIM missed when analyzing this hand with me. Clearly saying that his hand-range is exactly Ax[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is absurd.

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You were arguing the club aces made a raise look nice. I'm saying that weak (offsuit) aces make it look not nice. all in all, even if we ignore the overcaller argument (which is a good argument) i still think there are more combos that beat you than you beat. though i havn't done the math....

[Keystone]

I think I prefer betting the flop as well to hopefully get it heads up with the LAG. The pot is big and a 50/20 LAG will raise with an extremely large range of hands here.

The way you played it, I call the river.