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#13
04-19-2006, 11:14 AM
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Re: sometimes the lightbulb goes off - some serious ownage at 100 200
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as i said at the table, very nice play! by the way, i completely [censored] this hand up, i think i should have checked the turn, i wasnt playing well at all tonight as im sure you noticed [/ QUOTE ] nut flush draw, yes? this is why free showdown raises often end up biting you in the ass 
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#14
04-19-2006, 11:21 AM
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Re: sometimes the lightbulb goes off - some serious ownage at 100 200
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[ QUOTE ] Please tell me what is going on when you 3 bet turn call cap and bet river plz plz plzzzzzzz [/ QUOTE ] I check-raised, he 3 bet and I capped. I bet the river. I did this because I felt like bluffing at the time and wanted to show 2p2 how awesome my "read" was. He knows I am capable of spewing and plays back at me with any piece of the board almost always, sometimes overcards, etc. So I cap, feeling that the 6 was due after missing with 69o so many times. He calls with whatever draw and folds the river. Once I cap the turn, I obviously SSCKM. -James [/ QUOTE ] fyp
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#17
04-19-2006, 11:30 AM
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Re: sometimes the lightbulb goes off - some serious ownage at 100 200
also, to add a little strategy, i don't like your turn c/r. with the deuce paired, he's got way too many hands that can 3-bet you safely. any overpair, 88, 55, A8, A2s. that also makes your cap a lot worse. on some boards, you KNOW he's 3-betting for a free showdown. that's because it's a lot scarier and you know there aren't a lot of hands that can 3-bet for value. here, there are a ton.
now maybe, against his overall range, you induce enough folds. the board is raggedy so he'll surely fire his KQ or QJ again and fold to a raise. but when someone checkraises me on the turn on this board and i have A high, i call down. i either have a wheel draw or 2 overs (A7 or A6 i might fold) so i have enough outs to justify me calling and then looking you up on the turn. so you're really only going to fold out K high and worse. and really you could've done the same thing on the flop. i know sometimes you need to switch it up and do it on the turn, but i think this is a pretty good blind defense flop, especially since people have somewhat decent standards from the hijack. you might disagree with this part. it's easy for the button to play back. when i get cr on this flop i start thinking gutter, oesd, diamonds, air. but he'll still go away quietly with the K and Q high. back to the turn, i really hate your cap. since there is a wide range of hands he could be 3-betting, him having diamonds (which IMO, he shouldn't have here unless it's not the nut flush draw) becomes small in comparison. you're giving 9-2 on your cap. i just don't see him folding enough and on newhizzle's play, if he had the nut flush draw, then i HATE it. when i have a big draw with an A on the turn against an aggressive player who will often follow through on the river, i'm not trying to free showdown raise. there's no point. i won't gain an extra bet because he has no idea i'm on diamonds. i'll be able to raise anyway. the times he has 67 or 69 or diamonds himself, let him bluff. no sense in pushing him out. with the non-nut flush draw, it might be ok as a free showdow raise, but if you're only doing it to punish draw hands then you can just call down with K or Q high. it's unlikely he's checkraising with A or K high. and if you have a smaller flush draw like Td9d then i prefer waiting for the river to re-bluff raise. i want to see the card that comes off
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#18
04-19-2006, 11:35 AM
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Re: sometimes the lightbulb goes off - some serious ownage at 100 200
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[ QUOTE ] Please tell me what is going on when you 3 bet turn call cap and bet river plz plz plzzzzzzz [/ QUOTE ] I check-raised, he 3 bet and I capped. I bet the river. I did this because that board was very likely to have missed his range completely. He knows I am capable of a turn move and plays back at me with diamonds almost always, sometimes overcards, etc. So I cap, feeling that the timing of his bet was weak. He calls with whatever draw and folds the river. Once I cap the turn, I obviously have to bet the river. -James [/ QUOTE ] you did this purely based on the timing of his clicks? what if he's playing 8 tables?
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#20
04-19-2006, 12:09 PM
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Re: sometimes the lightbulb goes off - some serious ownage at 100 200
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Please tell me what is going on when you 3 bet turn call cap and bet river plz plz plzzzzzzz [/ QUOTE ] I check-raised, he 3 bet and I capped. I bet the river. I did this because that board was very likely to have missed his range completely. He knows I am capable of a turn move and plays back at me with diamonds almost always, sometimes overcards, etc. So I cap, feeling that the timing of his bet was weak. He calls with whatever draw and folds the river. Once I cap the turn, I obviously have to bet the river. -James [/ QUOTE ] you did this purely based on the timing of his clicks? what if he's playing 8 tables? [/ QUOTE ] Even an 8 tabler will be focusing on the hand enough after they bet the turn to be making a quick decision after the checkraise.
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