Steroid issue from a "personal" viewpoint - Page 2

diddle · #11 04-05-2006, 06:44 PM

If after 6 months of working out you had power number to rival Bonds, then after 2 years of working out you would be a world champion weightlifter or powerlifter.

And you got this strong while losing weight and going on 5 hours of sleep?

This is very odd for a few reasons:

1. Champion Olympic weightlifters don't even train 3-4 hours per day. It burns out the CNS.

2. Champion Olympic weightlifters sleep 9+ hours per day to recover from their workouts.

3. The HW olympic weightlifters eat 4500+ calories per day because gaining strength is hard to do while losing weight.

4. Champion Olympic weightlifters for the last 40 years have used steroids between meets and the Olympics.

So, you became insanely powerful while defying all convention, and all the while, you did not use steroids.

I don't mean to be slamming you, but what you have said does not mesh with anything I know.

I am curious, what were your power numbers BEFORE you blew out your shoulder? What were your power numbers after 6 months of working out?

Also, it is not possible to put on 30 LBS of muscle in a 4 month off-season without anabolics. If you don't believe that most of the superstars of the past dozen years have been juicing, then there is wool over your eyes.

Caminiti admitted it. Canseco admitted it. Giambi apologized for it. Palmerio was caught. Somehow Bonds made the most dramatic transformation of them all, and he did not use steroids?

ThaSaltCracka · #12 04-05-2006, 06:56 PM

anecdotal evidence aside, I think Jihads main point is that you can see gains of 30 lbs of muscle with supplements that are not neccesarily steroids. The biggest problem with that statement and Bonds transformation is the age of Bonds when said transformation occured. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely? who knows.

tdarko · #13 04-05-2006, 07:07 PM

Jihad,

From the summer of my Freshman and Sophmore year in college I decided to dedicate myself to gaining muscle since I was thin. I was 6'3 168 lbs after my Freshman season of baseball in college, I went to play in a baseball league in Alaska and came home within a week with the decision that gaining weight/muscle was more important. I dedicated my summer to this. When I got to school when the summer was over I was 6'3 205lbs and not fat, but thick and strong. I was forced to take a steroid test by our team strength and conditioning coach/trainer b/c he wanted to make sure I wasn't lying to him. Of course I passed.

I passed b/c I was young and still at a growing stage of my life, this kind of weight was obtainable for many reasons. Barry simply cannot grow anymore at his age without the help of something such as HGH. Steroids won't even make him look like he does, HGH is known to make your bones larger b/c it makes your bones actually grow...and is why his head has become bigger and why Sammy's cheeks have looked like they were about to poke out of his face and they can make your forehead pertrude as well.

Some athletes actually do get bigger later in their career because their metabolism is so much slower and they put on a little weight, and then when you work your butt off you can have the powerful appearance but still have that soft outer shell, a la Roger Clemens. He is a big man and in great shape, but he has a soft little layer to him b/c of his age. Barry his huge and ripped which is fairly impossible to become at that age if you are naturally skinny like Barry is.

SomethingClever · #14 04-05-2006, 07:13 PM

Barry has been injecting 1000cc's of pure horse jizz directly into his pituitary gland for the past 7 seasons or so.

This is common knowledge, I can't believe you didn't know.

diddle · #15 04-05-2006, 07:19 PM

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anecdotal evidence aside, I think Jihads main point is that you can see gains of 30 lbs of muscle with supplements that are not neccesarily steroids. The biggest problem with that statement and Bonds transformation is the age of Bonds when said transformation occured. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely? who knows.

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With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. It is not possible to gain 30 lbs of muscle in a 4-month off-season without "help". No one's body synthesizes protein--> muscle that quickly naturally. This is science, not anecdotal evidence.

Jihad · #16 04-05-2006, 07:42 PM

tdarko,

It is still possible with age. I spotted my own father on his 49th birthday on his "test run" while he cleared 185 lbs. on the bench. I laughed when he said he would be benching 300 on the morning of his 50th birthday. I smiled with my arm around him, taking pictures of the 330 lb bar he just finished clearing on the morning of his 50th. With dedication and hard work, and yeah some supplementation - be it legal or illegal - the body knows no bounds. People are too quick to blame pretty much everybody that has any significant growth lately of taking steroids.

junglewarfare · #17 04-05-2006, 07:52 PM

jihad, do you understand the difference in physique between a bunch of normal guys and a major league baseball star who has been in the league for 10 years?

tdarko · #18 04-05-2006, 08:15 PM

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tdarko,

It is still possible with age. I spotted my own father on his 49th birthday on his "test run" while he cleared 185 lbs. on the bench. I laughed when he said he would be benching 300 on the morning of his 50th birthday. I smiled with my arm around him, taking pictures of the 330 lb bar he just finished clearing on the morning of his 50th. With dedication and hard work, and yeah some supplementation - be it legal or illegal - the body knows no bounds. People are too quick to blame pretty much everybody that has any significant growth lately of taking steroids.

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My father seems eerily similar to maybe yours, he is the type that climbs mountains and loves to push himself as far as possible. He is a health nut and lifts weights 4 times a weeks and runs 10-12 miles a day 5 days a week. Today, in his upper 40's (he had me at a young age) he is in probably his best shape of his life. Still, though he looks great, a body of a twenty-something...it still doesn't compare to what Barry has morphed into.

You are right that people are quick to blame when they see someone getting bigger. They see a guy get huge and they automatically judge him and say, "steroids" w/o knowing him. The body can stretch and it's limitations can breach further than one can realize with some work and dedication. This doesn't have to do with Barry though.

For instance, if I was 205lbs and if a season wore me down and I dropped down into the 190-193 range, when the season was over I could gain back to 205 with ease. The weight that you hold can always be easily obtained but to gain into unmarked territory and balloon is trickier, and takes time. I could go a month and gain 2 lbs of muscle. Barry has turned himself into a different person, not just some guy that increased his bench bress by remarkable numbers...to be honest I have known many guys that have used steroids that weren't all that strong, their muscles were just juiced up. So your father accomplished a goal, most likely from hard work...maybe a great diet, some supplements, and thats success. But I am sure your father still looks like your father.

~td

ThaSaltCracka · #19 04-05-2006, 08:46 PM

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anecdotal evidence aside, I think Jihads main point is that you can see gains of 30 lbs of muscle with supplements that are not neccesarily steroids. The biggest problem with that statement and Bonds transformation is the age of Bonds when said transformation occured. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely? who knows.

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With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. It is not possible to gain 30 lbs of muscle in a 4-month off-season without "help".

[/ QUOTE ]yeah, you are most likely right, he probably only lifts during the offseason, and even more likely only started lifting seriously during that offseason.

ThaSaltCracka · #20 04-05-2006, 08:52 PM

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anecdotal evidence aside, I think Jihads main point is that you can see gains of 30 lbs of muscle with supplements that are not neccesarily steroids. The biggest problem with that statement and Bonds transformation is the age of Bonds when said transformation occured. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely? who knows.

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With all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about. It is not possible to gain 30 lbs of muscle in a 4-month off-season without "help".

[/ QUOTE ]yeah, you are most likely right, he probably only lifts during the offseason, and even more likely only started lifting seriously during that offseason.

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BTW, before you jump all over me, I am merely just arguing for the sake of arguing because I think Jihad has a legitimate point here.