Calling allins with low PP ITM

[citanul]

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I don't think he was pushing more than 40% here so the call was maybe okay

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huh?

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[AnthonyV]

Bottom Lines:

- You have 12xBBs
- You are ITM
- You have position at the table such that you will likely not be pushing into a stack that covers you, unless a hand changes relative chipstacks in the near future. That is, you will be pwning shortie's BB whenever BTN does not enter a pot.
- If you win the coinflip you will be in excellent position to come in first. Then again, if you lose, you will likely have no chance of coming in any place but third.
- You can find spots to a) get chips while avoiding showdowns and picking up the SB/BB which are a significant % of chips in play; b) get your chips in with a greater advantage than 55/45.

[citanul]

i'm not sure if you meant to reply to me or the other guy.

you've been spot on both times you've posted in this thread, the second time with a greater thought process being presented. these are a bunch of the reasons why calling in such spots is wrong. the questions i asked in my earlier posts are some that almost everyone should spend more time looking at if they want to learn to win copious amounts of money. the "huh" was directed at the quoted passage, and i don't think your post goes to that?

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[AnthonyV]

nope, meant to reply to the OP. no worries.

fwiw, i agree that the exercises you've outlined are immensely helpful and everyone should do them (numerous times if you're willing to invest that kind of time/energy). also, doing icm calcs by hand (even if only once or twice) is about a 8726972346% better way to learn and understand ICM than using SNGPT.

EDIT: I was similarly "huh?"ing myself as to the 40% comment.

[ger664]

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I was similarly "huh?"ing myself as to the 40% comment.

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I bet he is reading HOHII. Harrington has broke down hands for heads up into 10% 20% etc. etc.

Pocket 44 falls into the Top 30% which is better then top 40% but not for calling a push with here.

Yes doing the calcs manually is much more usefull as it gives an understanding of how chip-stack sizes are related pushing ranges.

[oyvindgee]

The 40% comment got through the preview. I wrote it, realised that it was of course the other way aroud and clicked "post" instead of editing it away. Just disregard it.

[AliasMrJones]

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I don't think he was pushing more than 40% here so the call was maybe okay anyway, I see that SnGPT is something I'll definetely need to purchase.

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You've got this backwards. If he's pushing less than top 40% of hands here, you should fold. The fewer hands he's pushing, the worse call it is.

[oyvindgee]

Yep, after commiting the critical act of actually using my brain it appeared obvious.. Just forgot to fix it

Gigabet would call here. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Disclaimer: This means nothing about right or wrong.

[beeyjay]

people calling me in this spot has to be my biggest pet peeve.

thats right, even bigger than minraising behind 3-5 limpers.

These 2 behaviors have me convinced that people like swings.