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Chris Daddy Cool · #11 01-09-2006, 08:11 AM

i would follow through on your plan and check 3-bet that turn.

OnkelHotte · #12 01-09-2006, 08:14 AM

erm...you have the 2nd nuts on the flop and the 7 on the turn does not change this fact regarding the preflop action. this is a no brainer cap flop and bet /3 bet turn. slowing down on the flop with 2nd set after the 3bet and checking the turn risking a freecard and wasting value is very very very weak and bad!

Trix · #13 01-09-2006, 11:34 AM

Are you really worried that he will check through the turn when his most likely hand is an overpair ?

Trix · #14 01-09-2006, 11:40 AM

You really think JJ/TT is more likely than 99/77 after SB leads then flop, coldcalls a 3bet and then check-raise on the turn ?

It doesn´t look like he is trying to protect his hand or is worried that he may be behind to me.

Trix · #15 01-09-2006, 11:54 AM

Could you say why you think I should cap the flop ?

I think you are probably right, but I´m not sure I´m considering everything.

When I played it, I was worried that it would give my hand away and thought the flop 3-bettor was very likely to bet the turn, so I could check-raise, but maybe I didn´t give enough thought to when a K/A turns or the times it comes a blankish card and he will put in another raise with a big pair, though something told that he probably wouldn´t, given that he didn´t raise it up with KQ in the SB when a bad player limped in.

Nightwish · #16 01-09-2006, 03:02 PM

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You really think JJ/TT is more likely than 99/77 after SB leads then flop, coldcalls a 3bet and then check-raise on the turn ?

It doesn´t look like he is trying to protect his hand or is worried that he may be behind to me.

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Why would you be worried about 77? Didn't you say that SB is a TAG? You think he'd call 2.5 bets cold in the SB with 77? And if he did that, you think he'd call another 2 bets cold on the flop when it's clear that he's drawing to 2 outs?

The only reasonable hand that a TAG SB could have here that also beats you is 99. But there are only 3 99 hands and 12 JJ/TT hands. That's why you need to 3-bet.

Trix · #17 01-09-2006, 08:03 PM

SB: 99, MP3: QQ.

Trix · #18 01-09-2006, 08:05 PM

You expect MP to call down with an overpair if I 3bet the turn ?

Nightwish · #19 01-10-2006, 04:59 AM

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You expect MP to call down with an overpair if I 3bet the turn ?

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Probably not, but why does it matter? You know SB isn't going anywhere, so why not make those guaranteed* extra bets instead of hoping that MP overcalls all the way?

*When I say "guaranteed," I mean that SB is guaranteed to at least call you, not that you're guaranteed to win. But like I said, you're ahead of 12 of his hands and behind to 3, so the 3-bet is definitely correct.

TStoneMBD · #20 01-10-2006, 09:18 AM

i dont like preflop but ok

on the flop i prefer calling the sb bet and not raising. it is very likely that someone has an overpair behind you and you can extract more bets by letting them raising and trapping them later. if they dont have an overpair its better to let them chase their AKs anyway.

i really like how you played the turn. SB is now representing 99 and if you 3bet there is a good chance that alot of overpairs fold. i dont know if KK/AA will fold but you are certainly representing a set at this point with your UTG limp and showing so much strength and the SB is representing 99 as his most likely hand. if you just call you keep the overpairs in the pot when they may fold extracting the same bets if you would have 3bet instead.