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Old 03-23-2006, 01:35 PM
BaxterTheActor BaxterTheActor is offline
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Default Re: This hand illustrates why I\'m terrible at LHE

Trans has good advice. You sound like you are on a downswing and feel like you can't win. If it going to keep you playing hands scared like this, you should probably move down in limits until you are comfortable again.

As for the line to take, I say bet out the flop to try to thin the field. If the CO or button raise, call and donk the turn. Too often on a flop like this a raise from the CO or button will just mean overcards. Just because these players "seem resonable" doesn't mean that they are holding AA-QQ. They could just as likely have 77-TT or AK, AQ, AJ, and maybe even KQs, JTs, QJs in some cases.
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Old 03-23-2006, 02:09 PM
danzasmack danzasmack is offline
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Default Re: This hand illustrates why I\'m terrible at LHE

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Your problem with limit hold em is your lack of reads.

I'm betting out though.

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I agree that betting out here is better than c/r'ing. Don't open yourself up to a 3 bet. You have the J of clubs. I fire every street. If somebody raises I will call flop and turn.
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Old 03-23-2006, 02:19 PM
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Default Re: This hand illustrates why I\'m terrible at LHE

Here's the deal. You are either way ahead here or way behind a whole lot. It is quite possible that one of the villains has a pp like TT or 99 or something. The other one could have AK or AQ. Actually, one could have AQ and the other could have AK. You aren't going to know where you are in the hand unless you bet/call (be careful if it's three bet back to you ) on the flop and then lead the turn and see what happens. It would be unusual for someone with AK or TT to keep the aggression on as you hit the bigger streets. You're ahead here plenty and your bets are generally for value. By continually betting, you are telling the other players that you are not backing down so unless they are sitting on (almost exactly) AA, KK or QQ they will not keep popping you. This is especially so if your read on them as not quite total maniacs is correct.

So, I'd bet/call the flop and then perhaps bet/fold the turn. It is possible that calling the turn may be ok if you're getting somewhere around 15 or 16-1 at this point. You are a 22:1 shot roughly to spike a jack.
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