Was Hachem being unethical?

[TarHeel100]

There's no rule about who you have to talk to at the poker table and who you don't.

[Ezcheeze]

I said in my original post that what he did is not against the rules. My question is was it unethical. The way swapping large percentages is unethical.

(Edited to take out an example that acutally is against the rules)

[TheMainEvent]

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I said in my original post that what he did is not against the rules. My question is was it unethical. The way swapping large percentages is unethical.


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I'd say it was unethical if he was saying what he said specifically because Watkinson was his opponent. He may just have not wanted a call, no matter who it was.

[TheBlueMonster]

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Forgetting about Ly for a moment, is it ok for me to tell another player I have them beat when I actually do, essentially helping them save chips. And is it ok for me to tell them they have me beat when they do, essentially giving them chips.

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it's fine. Who cares if you wanna save your opponent his money.

[Ezcheeze]

The way he was saying it, it seemed almost like he was criticizing a friend who was about to make a bad call. His tone was something like: Come on I obviously have you beat, are you really gonna make a horrible call??

I can't say for sure he wouldn't have tried to get anyone else to fold though.

[Ezcheeze]

I care because I don't think that's poker and I came there to play poker.

[Municipal Hare]

Borderline. He kept it vague, and even though he happened to induce a fold from a worse hand in this instance, in other instances the exact same talk will induce folds from better hands or calls from a worse hands, which would make it entirely fair game.

My hunch is he wanted to look desperate and weak, it backfired, and the "having to dodge alot of cards" spiel was a face-saving measure. You really think he wanted QQ out? Really?

[Ezcheeze]

At this moment there is almost no doubt in my mind. Hachem wanted him to fold. For sure he wanted him to fold becuase he was worried about losing the pot but there may have been something of helping a friend out, that I'm not sure about I'm not even sure they are friends.

[El Diablo]

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So it's ok that he told Lee watkinson to fold but not Minh Ly?
By the way, if Watkinson calls Hachem is not a 4 to 1 favorite.

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You said Minh had 50k chips to Hachem's 150k. So, depending on Watkinson's stack, yes, I may have absolutely no problem with it.

FWIW, if you were to search out and read my posts on these types of topics in the past, I believe you'd consider me to be among the most vocal critics of much of the unethical, but technically legal, behavior that goes on in poker. I am just not convinced yet that what you describe falls into that category.

[Jusbe]

I don't see anything wrong what Hachem did. Table-talk is part of the game, and I think Hachem was smart if he wanted to get Watkinson fold as he did. All the players use talk as part of strategy to get information from other players or trying to have an influence on their play.