Kinsman1josh / Fobol on Party 10/20 Stud8

[mscags]

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I have played with him many times, I play in the $10/20 game as well. He's straight-forward, good, tight. Does not resteal bring-in/antes, does not chase, plays a very regular playing style.



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So I'm playing in the game right now and this is a hand with our "big winner" He is up a good deal of money, but certainly wont continue if he plays hands like this

7 Card Stud High-Low ($10/$20), Ante $1, Bring-In $3 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls
Seat 2: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___completes
Seat 5: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls

4th Street - (3.70 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

5th Street - (2.85 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls

6th Street - (4.85 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls

River - (6.85 BB)

Seat 4: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] xx___bets___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___checks___raises

Total pot: (10.85 BB)

Kinsman started (49)9 in the hole and flushed it on the river for half.

[Bogglor]

Well, I see he's at 1277 on one table and 1214 on another. What you witnessed, mscags, is one of those hands I was speaking about where he occasionally starts with nothing and inevitably ends up with something. It's uncanny. I just saw him play (TT)9 the same way too.

For screen names, my current name is bkdoorheehaw. And your notes probably say I'm awful [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I swear I'm not. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] What's your SN?

[ColdCaller]

Check your PMs.

[BeerMoney]

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The more I read about the 30-60 game and now this guy crushing the 10-20 the more it makes me believe adjusting to your opponents style of play and having excellent hand reading ability is much more important in stud8 than in many other games.

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Nice post. I think online poker is slowly changing. I think the players are getting better. The fish are playing a little less loose, and the marginal players are getting more competent. I think this is evident by the downswings some of the regulars on here are experiencing. I think in the past, sqeeky clean 3rd street play could make us a winner , and bing competent later on could make us an even better winner. Now, I think we're having to earn our pots and bets more. Saving bets here and there, playing more deceptively, and running a few bluffs to throw off our opponents. In other words, playing real poker. No longer can we count on enough horrible players to allow us to go on autopilot while surfing the net. Its no longer about sitting around and waiting for the nuts.

I'd like for this to go further.

And to Bogglor, I don't play this game, so I can't do anything but say that i thought your estimate was high.

Beer.

[mscags]

I'm jugador716 and I don't have any notes on you because I don't hardly play that game anymore, I do think I was at your table for a little bit though.

[ColdCaller]

You make several good points, BeerMoney. I wrote a smallish post here about the Value of Deception in 8/b. No one responded, but I think there is good (if short) information in it and why it's necessary to change your game online.

[Bogglor]

Beer:

There is no doubt that you and many of the other posters who've noticed the trend of improving play are correct. I've noticed it particularly in the last 6 months.

A popular axim is that limit play is about what you hold and no limit play is about your opponent holds. Now I think since that so many people play a very similar book-learned style, this axim is becoming less and less true by the day. I find myself thinking much more about what my opponents hold now and how to get that money in the middle than I ever did when I could just multitable 3 fish laden games. The era of the lazy poker player is surely coming to a close.

It definitely feels like there are fewer "good" games online by comparison anymore. As the popular craze winds down, there are far fewer players playing for fun/entertainment. Most of the literature tells you that online play is weaker and looser than live play, but I have never found this to be true at all. Someone who has an account on an online poker site had to go to a site, download a client, fund a netwallet, and make a deposit. This is much more effort and demonstrates a level of seriousness far above simply walking into a casino and playing poker for fun as many do.

All of that said, I still had my best statistical month ever in cash game play in October. The players are getting better, but so am I (god I hope so). The good player has to constantly strive to stay one step ahead of the game if he expects to continue to earn. That may involve adjusting his game to incorporate "imperfect" play, running more bluffs, saving bets -- whatever. Whatever the game you're in suggests you have to do -- do it. The ability to adjust is what will separate the wheat from the chaff going forward.

[GIncognito]

I've witnessed the chat from a few players about him(including one who won't stop talking about what a cheat the guy is while playing with him the whole time..). One of these discussions was a lengthy discussion about the guy being a bot. For those that think he is a constant winner, I can also say he is frequently replenishing his stack so he can cover a full hand of capped betting. (As opposed to many who sit at the table with less than $200). I've seen him have losing sessions where he leaves with over a $1000 on the table.
I'll admit I'm somewhat fascinated by the guy. Will play two tables, will not play heads-up or short-handed, never chats.

[Bogglor]

Yeah the whiner in question is Studeight888. He insists that Kinsman is a cheat. Of course, his evidence for this is that the day after he called Fobol out, Fobol changed his name. Wow, that pretty much seals it up doesn't it.

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He apparently makes a couple grand a day in the game.

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No.

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actually, yes