Bush's 4th veto of his presidency is a good one

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nate- why aren't you thanking the republicans as well? They do the same exact thing..

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I despise all of them. Believe me I am the farthest thing from a republican partisan.

natedogg

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Wouldn't a democratic partisan be the farthest thing from a republican partisan? .. Just kidding.

So far, the Dems have managed to not pass a We <3 the Troops bill and a We <3 Children bill, while passing a We Hate Moveon.org resolution that the Republicans started. And now they're even starting to name bills like they're Republicans. It really is time for a second party in Washington.

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This is just an extension of medicaid to some middle class taxpayers more or less. Cap is actually at 61,000+ without a waiver.

A look at children's health insurance

Bush drew the line in a different place than others. That is all. Why should the line be moved higher i.e. why should people making $41,000 or less get this government hand out?? Why not make it $100,000? Where do people draw the line?

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They probably draw the line based on how much money it takes to support a family. A 3 person family could probably very easily be supported on $100k a year, someone making $41k may not have such an easy time, especially if they have lots of medical bills for their child.

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They probably draw the line based on how much money it takes to support a family. A 3 person family could probably very easily be supported on $100k a year, someone making $41k may not have such an easy time, especially if they have lots of medical bills for their child.

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How is this determination made do you think?

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I'd hope thru some calculated study or research. But it doesn't take a genius to figure out that someone living on $41k vs $100k has less money to spend on medical bills.

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I'd hope thru some calculated study or research. But it doesn't take a genius to figure out that someone living on $41k vs $100k has less money to spend on medical bills.

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First of all it's for insurance and second of all what kind of coverage should a family have exactly? What about if I have family, work, get coverage from my employer, who and what determines what adequate coverage is? It's not clear to me that a family making $41,000 can't afford health insurance while a family making $45,000 can. I'm fairly certain that it is easier for a family making $100,000. That way the $45,000 guy is included too. I'm not saying it's $40,000 or $100,000, I'm asking as how the cut off point is determined. Why not up it to $45,000 or $50,000? How do we know the study is accurate or valid? Sorry just too much faith here for me.

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The Dems actually have a shot at overriding this veto. It passed the Senate with a veto-proof majority and they need 15 more GOP votes in the House (they have 40) to override.

As for the merits, you all know my view on health care. If grandstanding and blowharding results in more accessible health care, I'm all for it.

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If lying to the people gets them to pass laws they don't actually want, you're all for it? How very democratic of you.

[AlexM]

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Probably 5% -10% of people see through the smokescreen / BS of how these bills are named and reported, or should I say twisted, in the media.

"The Patriot Act": anyone who doesn't vote for it is clearly unpatriotic OMG!

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Actually its about 39%. Link

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39% on one specific issue, but most of those are going to be just as brainwashed when it's their party doing it, so it's really just being anti-other party than actually seeing through the fog. Even the 5-10% is probably too generous as most of those are going to just be people who hate the Republicans and Democrats and are freely brainwashed by Libertarians or Greens or whoever.

My faith in humanity is nearly overwhelming. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[AlexM]

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Wouldn't a democratic partisan be the farthest thing from a republican partisan? .. Just kidding.

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No, they're practically the same.