77 against a steal - Page 2

TheHip41 · #11 09-29-2007, 12:30 AM

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button raises puts you in the big blind here with 77 right? I dont care if the guys pfr% is 21 this is not a 3 bet out of the big blind, then having to play the hand OOP.

You should be looking more at his attempt to steal here I think, and then getting a range. Givin his 1.32 aggression factor though, it is much more likely that he hit this flop then is raising a draw.

If you are against his range of only 21% (as described as being important above) then your equity is only 44% on this flop. I could easily find a fold button here, and if I do call his raise, I'm folding most turns to another bet. 1.32 AF is simply too light to put this guy on a draw if he fires flop and turn.

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Hey Stretch nice to see you posting. Since youre one of the best players on AP, it would be nice to see some more 2+2 action from you. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

My thoughts on this situation. Do we have an equity edge preflop? Obviously yes. Does that mean we should 3bet preflop? No, not at all. Am I against 3betting? No, not at all. Since we will almost always have an edge preflop, my decision on whether I 3bet or not preflop is almost solely dependent on how my opponent plays postflop.

For example: Lets look at the spot the hero is in right now. If this is an easy fold or a very easy +EV calldown then I like 3betting preflop. If this is a very tough situation for the hero to handle either becuz the hero lacks vital information or becuz the villain plays well postflop, then I like a call preflop.

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wow, how do his nuts taste?

I don't think you can fold against this guy. PF is fine against this guys range. It's not like you have 22 here.

milesdyson · #12 09-29-2007, 12:32 AM

stretchmcgee loaned me $3k to get me back on my feets. i paid that guy 100% apr over 4 months! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

ILOVEPOKER929 · #13 09-29-2007, 12:41 AM

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PF is fine against this guys range. you have 22 here.

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Preflop is gonna be fine against almost anybody's range in this spot. This much was figured out like 30 years ago. That's why the decision of whether to 3bet preflop or not should not be based soley on this guy's range. If that was the case, it would be 3bet always. Your statement is the same as saying "3betting with AA is fine against this guy's range." zzzzzz.

Absolution · #14 09-29-2007, 12:49 AM

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PF is fine against this guys range. you have 22 here.

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Preflop is gonna be fine against almost anybody's range in this spot. This much was figured out like 30 years ago. That's why the decision of whether to 3bet preflop or not should not be based soley on this guy's range. If that was the case, it would be 3bet always. Your statement is the same as saying "3betting with AA is fine against this guy's range." zzzzzz.

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Because 77 and AA play exactly the same post-flop.

TheHip41 · #15 09-29-2007, 12:52 AM

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PF is fine against this guys range. you have 22 here.

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Preflop is gonna be fine against almost anybody's range in this spot. This much was figured out like 30 years ago. That's why the decision of whether to 3bet preflop or not should not be based soley on this guy's range. If that was the case, it would be 3bet always. Your statement is the same as saying "3betting with AA is fine against this guy's range." zzzzzz.

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ILP, you are one of the best players on AP, so glad to see you posting again.

Wait a minute, I don't think you play enough hands/month to qualify. Do you even get in the VIP tournaments anymore? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

ILOVEPOKER929 · #16 09-29-2007, 12:56 AM

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PF is fine against this guys range. you have 22 here.

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Preflop is gonna be fine against almost anybody's range in this spot. This much was figured out like 30 years ago. That's why the decision of whether to 3bet preflop or not should not be based soley on this guy's range. If that was the case, it would be 3bet always. Your statement is the same as saying "3betting with AA is fine against this guy's range." zzzzzz.

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Because 77 and AA play exactly the same post-flop.

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Im confused. Are you being facetious, sarcastic or are you trying to convey some cryptic point?

Absolution · #17 09-29-2007, 12:57 AM

I was going to ask you the same thing since it's nothing like saying you should raise AA here.

TheHip41 · #18 09-29-2007, 12:58 AM

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PF is fine against this guys range. you have 22 here.

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Preflop is gonna be fine against almost anybody's range in this spot. This much was figured out like 30 years ago. That's why the decision of whether to 3bet preflop or not should not be based soley on this guy's range. If that was the case, it would be 3bet always. Your statement is the same as saying "3betting with AA is fine against this guy's range." zzzzzz.

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Because 77 and AA play exactly the same post-flop.

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Im confused. Are you being facetious, sarcastic or are you trying to convey some cryptic point?

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i bet you $5 you don't even know what all those words mean

ILOVEPOKER929 · #19 09-29-2007, 01:00 AM

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I was going to ask you the same thing since it's nothing like saying you should raise AA here.

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That's my point exactly. That's why TheHip's logic is flawed. I was nitpicking here cuz I was looking for a reason to rip on thehip.

TheHip41 · #20 09-29-2007, 01:32 AM

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I was going to ask you the same thing since it's nothing like saying you should raise AA here.

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That's my point exactly. That's why TheHip's logic is flawed. I was nitpicking here cuz I was looking for a reason to rip on thehip.

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dont want to go with the old standby, I have a g/f, I play 25-50, I'm skinny today?