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Old 09-26-2007, 10:11 AM
Pokey Pokey is offline
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Default Re: NL 50 valuebet river here?

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- Villain doesn't check-raise rivers often

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>90% of micro stakes players in my experience

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Perhaps I should have said "when villain catches a lucky river card he doesn't check-raise the river often." Nobody check-raises rivers often, because it's rare that we're OOP and catching a lucky card at the river. The question is: *IF* he rivers a miracle, does he frequently bet out or check-raise? Phrased that way, I think far more people check-raise the river than you might think. Even at the uNL tables, people LOOOVE to get all tricky-trappy. They think that's what poker is all about, and they live for the "HAHA! GOTCHA!" moments that come when they get to check-raise that river with a hand. Even if villain folds, they feel like Phil Phreakin' Ivey.
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Old 09-26-2007, 10:24 AM
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Default Re: NL 50 valuebet river here?

thnx nice reply pokey
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Old 09-26-2007, 10:38 AM
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Default Re: NL 50 valuebet river here?

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$15 - $20 and expect to be called by a king.

I dont see any 2 pair hands other than maybe k9 being shown down here the way the hands played out

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name one kx hand that calls a 15-20 dollar bet on the river that we beat. the only one i can think of is K8 which is incredibly unlikely. i doubt he has AK because he hasnt shown strength the whole hand.

KQ has a straight
Kj, KT, K9 all have 2 pair now

i think this is an obvious check because we dont beat a whole lot and there is no value in betting imo
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Old 09-26-2007, 11:28 AM
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Default Re: NL 50 valuebet river here?

See it from villains point of view:
Hero raises pre flop, villain calls having worst postion post flop.
Hero leads out on K high flop, two spades, villain flat calls.
Looks like villain thinks hero just c-bets or villain has no fear of hero holding a pocket K -> villain has it beaten...
Turn: Hero second barrels - villain flat calls again...
In my opinion this looks a lot like a set (3's or T's) and he lets hero do the betting for his value.
Regarding this action I always check the river here even if river blanked and did not finish possible gutshot.
But maybe I'm a nit.
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