I've been arguing this w/ my friend for many days, Is he even right?

[DeuceSeven]

I'm generally calling with suited cards, connectors, or Ax.

[blackize]

Such an easy complete here getting 8:1. You're getting paid off when you hit, the cost is negligible when you miss, and you're rarely making costly 2nd best hands.

Your friend's logic is wrong in several places, but the complete is certainly not bad and I would argue that it is good.

Of course he should have bet the flop and then called COs shove.

[BradleyT]

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easy fold. you are playing out of position in an unraised pot.

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Being OOP isn't so much of a concern here because the hands 84s can take to showdown are going to be monster hands (2 pair+). Being OOP is much worse with a hand like A9o.

[AMT]

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The lower the buy in the more likely I am to complete. They will stack off lighter giving you implied odds. If I flop bottom two in a sng, my stack is getting in. If I'm beat, it's a cooler.

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[ger664]

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fold pf, but quit being arguing donkeys and concern yourself with more important things.

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[triviatard2]

Easy call with that many limpers. Unless you think your postflop skills are a liability. (Assuming the either the 40 you have for everyone calling, or the 20 for the BB is wrong).

(suzzer - tempbanned)

[The Venetian]

I'd say you'll probably get second-bested too often to make this work, but here specifically, it's certainly not horrible. The problem is that most people who complete this will continue to complete or see flops in spots that are closer to horrible.

[ADLinden]

if im on cruise control i usually tjust fold this, but i dont think calling is bad

[hecubus]

Fold PF - Harrington talks about this type scenario in Vol 1, unnecessarily bleeding chips away limping into pots.

[reno expat]

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easy fold. you are playing out of position in an unraised pot.

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Being OOP isn't so much of a concern here because the hands 84s can take to showdown are going to be monster hands (2 pair+). Being OOP is much worse with a hand like A9o.

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Being OOP matters because its harder to extract value. The decision to play suited 3-gappers is based on your belief that the implied odds are there but when its harder to get someone to play to the felt then your implied odds drop considerably.