KK hand. 4400 stacks 5-10 6-max.. - Page 2

Nezzar · #11 03-01-2006, 11:53 AM

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I can't see how the turn is possibly a fold. The river is probably a fold, though.

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What about if the river is a low card?

TheWorstPlayer · #12 03-01-2006, 11:57 AM

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I can't see how the turn is possibly a fold. The river is probably a fold, though.

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What about if the river is a low card?

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I call probably. Unless it's a big bet and you know he won't make a big bet with a worse hand. But many players will play QQ and even JJ exactly like this. And some "laggish" players will do this with many worse holdings.

Nezzar · #13 03-01-2006, 11:57 AM

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Wait, you're saying he'll reraise preflop with pair lower than kings, then pot the flop, and then the turn, and not consider himself to be bluffing?

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I know I could so I guess he could.. But as I said I dont know the player well.

FMZ · #14 03-01-2006, 11:58 AM

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WOW. You paid off 335BB with crappy one pair hand... I think folding the turn is in order.

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Agree.

Nezzar · #15 03-01-2006, 12:28 PM

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I can't see how the turn is possibly a fold. The river is probably a fold, though.

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What about if the river is a low card?

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I call probably. Unless it's a big bet and you know he won't make a big bet with a worse hand. But many players will play QQ and even JJ exactly like this . And some "laggish" players will do this with many worse holdings.

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This is why I think its so hard to play this hand. If he has JJ or QQ I dont want to raise because I can get value on a good river from those hands. And if he has AA then... then maybe I want to raise? And when he his bluffing I want him to keep bluffing.. So its really hard for me to raise in this hand.

TheWorstPlayer · #16 03-01-2006, 12:36 PM

Agreed, no reason to raise in this hand and no one is suggesting that you should. In fact, everyone is suggesting that you should fold.

Jman28 · #17 03-01-2006, 12:58 PM

Seriously, what range are you guys putting a laggy player on to fold this turn?

Requin · #18 03-01-2006, 01:10 PM

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Seriously, what range are you guys putting a laggy player on to fold this turn?

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A set, 56, or aces. In my mind, anything else is a bluff. I really can't see a reasonable player betting tens or jacks like this for value, maybe queens.

TheWorstPlayer · #19 03-01-2006, 01:11 PM

I don't understand how you think there are players who will re-raise 56 out of position preflop but won't bet 2 streets without beating KK on this ragged board.

Requin · #20 03-01-2006, 01:13 PM

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I don't understand how you think there are players who will re-raise 56 out of position preflop but won't bet 2 streets without beating KK on this ragged board.

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"Laggy" means he'll play a whole buch of hands (including maybe 56s). It doesn't mean he's bad. I don't see how betting TT/JJ like this is anything but spewing chips.