50NL; AA vs. known 2+2'er

[Lego05]

GtrHtr, that's fine. But if I bet or check/raise flop what do we expect to happen? I expect he folds everything except sets (I don't think AQ or the like is in his range). I took this line specifically because of the fact that he can 2 and 3 barrel me. I saw it as the only way to really get value from a worse hand than mine. You disagree I guess???


BTW what is "ffs".

[mookboi]

CR flop to 12, if he pushes, fold.
ffs = for [censored]'s sake.

As played, fold river.

[Sykes]

ffs = for [censored]'s sake

bet the flop plz [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

[Lego05]

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CR flop to 12, if he pushes, fold.
ffs = for [censored]'s sake.

As played, fold river.

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Thanks.

But about the hand that's exactly what I was trying to change. Instead of betting and folding to a raise or check raising and shoving to a fold I was trying to find a line that could get more value from a good regular TAG (whose range has gotta be nearly only pocket pairs) with AA on a dry board.

Your suggestion to check raise flop and then fold to a push is a suggestion to make my AA a bluff. You may as well tell me to do this with JTs.

[Hail Eris]

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Your suggestion to check raise flop and then fold to a push is a suggestion to make my AA a bluff. You may as well tell me to do this with JTs.

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If C/R this flop with AA turns it into a bluff, you need to be C/R this flop more often. Not as the PFR though.

[Hail Eris]

Anyway, the answer to your dilemma is that if he's aggro enough to triple barrel unimproved pps here, or whatever you're trying to get him to do, he's also aggro enough to float and bluff/raise and so on and so forth. It's ridiculous to think he's always folding 33 unimproved to a cbet on this flop, but firing 2 barrels when checked to.

[Don Key E37]

I think your getting a bit to tricky for 50nl. You really shouldn't be folding aces to often unless the action or board is real real ugly. He's not limping kk or qq pre probably not kq and 88 isn't all that likely, but really just lead flop first off. I can't think of a reason not to so the rest of it has me confused a bit but yeah sorry he had 44/55 but the way you played it you can't get away, and you really shouldn't be looking to much anyway. There are a lot more spots you should probably be looking to fix before you worry about folding aces on this board on the flop at 50nl.

[Brian O'Nolan]

If villain is as tricky/optimal with bluff freq as you seem to think folding aces to him here is awful. I doubt he is triple barreling or w/e anywhere near as often as you imply.

[Lego05]

Bump for morning.

[BevillTheDevil]

id bet or raise somewhere in this hand. We have played it so passively that we have absolutely no idea where we are stand. That doesnt mean im necessarly bettin for info (though that is a plus). But playin this so weak puts us in tough spots esp against aggro opponents. Stat wise this guy seems decent so If you think he is capable of sencing weakness or plays this aggro w/ TP hands then i call the river. TBH i dont what is best on the river tho cause i never take this flop/turn line.