Badly Played?

[GeniusOrCrazy]

cheers thoman8r good to know that i am not going completely mad!

[LiveInPeace]

The important point is risk vs. reward. Your big risk is that your hand is dead. In this situation that's not a small risk. He could easily have held AK given that he called a raise preflop. But it's even worse than that. You had a lot of callers, any one of whom could hold AK or have hit a set on the flop. In that case any bet you make is throwing money away. But what's your reward if you do bet? Not much - since anyone without a hand is likely to lose to you anyway. There's no real gain here.

The ONLY gain from betting the flop is that you push out the strong draws e.g. clubs here and even that might not succeed - even that might fail and cost you more money - exactly what happened.

[Teddie]

This one of the pitfalls of posting in a beginners forum. Your better off posting MTT threads in the MTT section as you will get much better responses.

[pzhon]

I'm surprised at how much bad advice you have managed to bring out with this.

Preflop, you could have raised a lot more, but it's not a big mistake to raise the amount that you did. Raising a smaller amount means more bad hands will incorrectly call. Typically, when I raise from the blinds, I raise about twice the size of the pot. Raising the size of the pot makes more sense when you have position, or when many players have not acted yet.

Post-flop, this is standard. You got all of your chips in as a big favorite. Were you really confused about whether you played this well, or did you just want to say that you got your chips in ahead and lost? That is a "bad beat" story, and they are a waste of time. When you have a strategy question, make sure you are specific so that your hand doesn't look like a bad beat story. It also helps not to show the results, so that you get real advice instead of useless rationalization tailored to the results.

[LiveInPeace]

[Smile] There will always be debate about playing style. Pay your money take your chances. YMMV. I am no beginner. I am signicantly up both long term and short term. Different strategies may work for you - I'm just describing what I know works for me.

[LiveInPeace]

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Post-flop, this is standard.

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Exactly right, and you know what? Standard play is losing play. Most players are losers.

[Dalek]

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The important point is risk vs. reward. Your big risk is that your hand is dead. In this situation that's not a small risk. He could easily have held AK given that he called a raise preflop. But it's even worse than that. You had a lot of callers, any one of whom could hold AK or have hit a set on the flop. In that case any bet you make is throwing money away. But what's your reward if you do bet? Not much - since anyone without a hand is likely to lose to you anyway. There's no real gain here.

The ONLY gain from betting the flop is that you push out the strong draws e.g. clubs here and even that might not succeed - even that might fail and cost you more money - exactly what happened.

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AK is unlikely as someone with this would probably re-raise again, not call in a pot with several other people. Also he failed to push a club draw out but got his money in as a favourite. This makes a profit in the long run and was good play. Your advice is ridiculous.


Raise a little more pre-flop but what you did wasn't particularly bad. As has been said, post-flop you got your money in as a favourite.

[LiveInPeace]

It's a common fallacy that seeing with hindsight that you got your money in as favorite, proves that the play was a good play. It doesn't.

[LiveInPeace]

It's not uncommon for a pre-flop raise to be flat-called with AK.

[pzhon]

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Post-flop, this is standard.

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Exactly right, and you know what? Standard play is losing play. Most players are losers.

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Heh. I meant standard by winning players.

Some losing players would check or make a small bet, letting people draw cheaply. Some losing players would make a huge overbet, losing value from weaker hands.