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Old 01-05-2006, 05:43 PM
Bazuul Bazuul is offline
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Default Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?

Thanks pineapple.
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Old 01-05-2006, 06:26 PM
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Default Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?

Why is this a c-bet? I would bet this flop. That being said, due to your action preflop, I almost certainly leave the option to let go of this hand open.

The way you played this hand, I'd be more inclined to just call on the flop.
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Old 01-05-2006, 06:27 PM
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Default Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?

Early in a tournement stack conservation take precedence. You cant win the tourney here, but you sure as hell can go home early...

I think that a continuation bet 75% of the pot is a natural play. (as an aside, what would your play be if you had ATs in the same position?)

My bigest concern about the check raise, is what are the chances that MP2 is betting w/ less then AK into the SB and BB, and back to you?

I am still a but of a pussy with flops like this early, so I would bet to see where I was, and consider laying it down to an all in RR.
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Old 01-05-2006, 07:35 PM
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Default Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?

Assuming you bet the pot on the flop and get raised all-in, you're getting better than 2 to 1 to call. That seems like a pretty difficult fold.
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Old 01-05-2006, 07:37 PM
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Default Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?

I'm with you on this. I don't know what it's like on the $55's, but in the lowly depths where we play, you need a bigger raise to get week people out. Now if he were in a later position, having several players being last to act with AKs would be OK.
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Old 01-05-2006, 07:42 PM
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Default Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?

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Assuming you bet the pot on the flop and get raised all-in, you're getting better than 2 to 1 to call. That seems like a pretty difficult fold.

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Unless you were 75% sure villain had a T. Admittedly, I'd rarely come to that decision, but I was trying to make a more general point.

And I wouldn't bet the pot, but anyway...
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Old 01-05-2006, 07:49 PM
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Default Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?

Villain had K8. I didn't want to bet the flop because anyone without a K or T would fold. I figured if I checked, either a K or T would bet or someone would take a stab at the pot.

I don't understand why betting the flop is better than a check-raise.
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Old 01-05-2006, 07:55 PM
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Default Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?

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Villain had K8. I didn't want to bet the flop because anyone without a K or T would fold. I figured if I checked, either a K or T would bet or someone would take a stab at the pot.

I don't understand why betting the flop is better than a check-raise.

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1.) Don't be results-oriented.

2.) I explained it above, so I won't repeat myself.

3.) If he was dumb enough to do what he did, which was unspeakably awful, he probably would have called you on the flop anyway, and there are various possibilities after that, but most likely you still would have won a very nice pot.

Edit: Although it looks like the pot was split, but I'm sure you see my point.
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Old 01-05-2006, 07:57 PM
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Default Re: ($55) AK on KTT -- cbet, C/C, C/R, or C/Puush because donks call?

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I don't understand why betting the flop is better than a check-raise.

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It depends strongly on who you're playing. I think most good players are going to fold just about every K to your c/r all-in on that board, whereas they aren't likely to fold the K to your open bet. Bad players, for that matter, aren't likely to fold in either scenario. The c/r is a much more expected line for strong hands on these boards, and so the bet looks weaker and can maybe get you some action.
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