Which Format is Best for Going Pro? (Online and B&M) - Page 2

Frequency · #11 01-05-2006, 10:16 PM

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There is MUCH more varience in limit holdem than PL/NL.

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Ditto.

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Negative. A large swing in limit might be 300 bb. That is what 6 buy ins at NL. 6 buy ins is not considered a large swing in NL.

Banks2334 · #12 01-05-2006, 10:27 PM

Whoa, whats the rush. Everyone is always in a hurry to "go pro". Its good that you are asking these questions, but at the same time it shows your inexperience. Studying is great, but not the cure all. What works for some may not work for you. Study and play, play play. Find what works for you and take your time.

ChuckyB · #13 01-05-2006, 10:37 PM

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There is MUCH more varience in limit holdem than PL/NL.

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The fact that so many people don't understand this is simply astounding.

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Can someone explain this for me? I would have thought variance would be smaller at limit because...well, there's limits.

Tony_P · #14 01-05-2006, 10:58 PM

"Negative. A large swing in limit might be 300 bb. That is what 6 buy ins at NL. 6 buy ins is not considered a large swing in NL. "

I was just going to call you an idiot and move on, but Let's examine your logic:

A 300 BB swing in limit is 6 buy-in as NL, which is not a big deal.

In 1/2 Limit that is a $600 swing. In NL, a $600 swing that is 6 buy-ins would be a $100 buy-in game, meaning .5/1 Blinds (usually) .5/1 NL is a higher-stakes game than 1/2 Limit. Do you see why you're wrong?

Frequency · #15 01-06-2006, 12:23 AM

I was just going to call you an idiot and move on, but Let's examine your logic:

A 300 BB swing in limit is 6 buy-in as NL, which is not a big deal.

In 1/2 Limit that is a $600 swing. In NL, a $600 swing that is 6 buy-ins would be a $100 buy-in game, meaning .5/1 Blinds (usually) .5/1 NL is a higher-stakes game than 1/2 Limit. Do you see why you're wrong?

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You have not proved anything. Variance is still greater at no limit.

Tony_P · #16 01-06-2006, 01:59 AM

What a f*cking retard you are. Did you come to this site to learn something or just act like a moron?

DcifrThs · #17 01-06-2006, 02:12 AM

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What a f*cking retard you are. Did you come to this site to learn something or just act like a moron?

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here's the thing, he may act like a moron, and be unable to logically defend his statement, but in today's online NL games, from many different great players' perspectives, the variance compared to limit is greater. period.

the reason is because of the large all in bets/bluffs/calls that are now commonplace in that area, combined with the lack of tells other than betting patterns and speeds online (where good pros can seriously reduce variance by eliminating large calls or winning pots that wouldn't have been theirs). and the frequency therein. what is a good stdev in bb/100 hands at limit? i know "good" is like 15-16 and excellent is below that.

what about NL in PTBB/100 hands?? its like more than double that, like 35-45 from what i know. now i may be wrong here and you can correct me if i am but from what i understand, PTBB is 2xthe big blind. so if you play 20/40 limit you suffer 40*15-16 swings per hundred hands on average. at NL, you suffer 40*35-45 at 10/20 blinds.

clearly, if my understanding of poker tracker estimations of the variance in the above games is correct, variance is now way larger in no limit than in limit.

Barron

Frequency · #18 01-06-2006, 02:17 AM

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"Negative. A large swing in limit might be 300 bb. That is what 6 buy ins at NL. 6 buy ins is not considered a large swing in NL. "

I was just going to call you an idiot and move on, but Let's examine your logic:

A 300 BB swing in limit is 6 buy-in as NL, which is not a big deal.

In 1/2 Limit that is a $600 swing. In NL, a $600 swing that is 6 buy-ins would be a $100 buy-in game, meaning .5/1 Blinds (usually) .5/1 NL is a higher-stakes game than 1/2 Limit. Do you see why you're wrong?

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.5/1 NL has the same blinds as 1/2 limit so they are the same stakes. What ever game requires more of a bankroll has more variance. I find you rude and if you clearly think I am wrong, show me.

Nomad84 · #19 01-06-2006, 02:57 AM

I've always been under the impression that when people said that NL has lower variance than limit, what they really meant was that for stakes that will produce approximately the same winrate, NL will have the lower variance. In other words, even though .5/1NL has the same blinds as 1/2 limit, they are not considered to be "equivalent" because a good NL player will be able to win much more at .5/1NL than a good limit player will at 1/2 limit. The rough equivalent to 1/2 limit might be .25/.5NL, for instance. In that case, it's more fair to compare the variance of 1/2 limit to the variance of .25/.5NL. I don't play NL, so I am not sure that this is accurate, but that's what I've taken out of the variance comparisons. Is this correct, Tony?

Arnfinn Madsen · #20 01-06-2006, 04:52 AM

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"Negative. A large swing in limit might be 300 bb. That is what 6 buy ins at NL. 6 buy ins is not considered a large swing in NL. "

I was just going to call you an idiot and move on, but Let's examine your logic:

A 300 BB swing in limit is 6 buy-in as NL, which is not a big deal.

In 1/2 Limit that is a $600 swing. In NL, a $600 swing that is 6 buy-ins would be a $100 buy-in game, meaning .5/1 Blinds (usually) .5/1 NL is a higher-stakes game than 1/2 Limit. Do you see why you're wrong?

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.5/1 NL has the same blinds as 1/2 limit so they are the same stakes. What ever game requires more of a bankroll has more variance. I find you rude and if you clearly think I am wrong, show me.

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THEY ARE NOT THE SAME STAKES! (first time I have used caps in a year [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) You are saying that 3 apples are the same as 3 oranges. What about stud which does not have blinds? Is that comparable to 0/0 HE?