Simple hand vs Robert Williamson, WSOP ME day 1.

Meh. But what about someone who will fire QQ/KK twice but fold right away to a flop raise (e.g., me)

[D. Bosola]

I like checking the river with the intention of calling a small bet. Betting seems worse, since you are unlikely to get called by a worse hand and if you get raised you must puke.

[woodguy]

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Meh. But what about someone who will fire QQ/KK twice but fold right away to a flop raise (e.g., me)

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His hand is good but weak so his first concern isn't getting value, but making sure he doesn't lose too much when second best.

Not saying its totally correct, but understandable....mind you, that's why calling raises with weak A's sucks, but he had position to minimize the damage, and maybe hit his 3 outer on the flop against a pair

[Bond18]

Woodguy, you make a good point, assuming the player with the weak A never stations the river, in which case its really bad.

[NoahSD]

Yuv, he put in 3k with that hand and lost all value against weaker hands. If one of us had played it, we'd put in like 4-5k and frequently get value from weaker hands.

[Bakes]

w/o reading responses, i would call flop and c/r turn. after he checks turn, clear b/f on river i expect him to pay off with any ace and never raise as a bluff.

[Todd Terry]

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Yuv, he put in 3k with that hand and lost all value against weaker hands. If one of us had played it, we'd put in like 4-5k and frequently get value from weaker hands.

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Maybe, although KK or QQ might give up after the call on the flop. Also, there are so many more bigger aces than KK or QQ combinations. If RWIII has A3, there are 12 (3 remaining aces X 4 of kicker) X 10 (4-T, J, Q, K) = 120 combinations of bigger aces vs. 12 KK or QQ. So, you're losing more money most of the time (and a lot more if you don't fold to the river bet, which you might not), and maybe making more a very small fraction of the time.

Preflop RWIII played this as badly as possible (although I guess moving all in after the raise could have been worse).

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w/o reading responses, i would call flop and c/r turn. after he checks turn, clear b/f on river i expect him to pay off with any ace and never raise as a bluff.

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Weird that you would c/r the turn but b/f the river if it goes c/c on the turn, no? I persoanlly hate c/r-ing the turn with such a medium strength hand. Is a pro ever really calling us with a weaker hand there?

[gobboboy]

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w/o reading responses, i would call flop and c/r turn. after he checks turn, clear b/f on river i expect him to pay off with any ace and never raise as a bluff.

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Weird that you would c/r the turn but b/f the river if it goes c/c on the turn, no? I persoanlly hate c/r-ing the turn with such a medium strength hand. Is a pro ever really calling us with a weaker hand there?

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He's a live pro. They never fold anything but always fold everything.

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w/o reading responses, i would call flop and c/r turn. after he checks turn, clear b/f on river i expect him to pay off with any ace and never raise as a bluff.

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Weird that you would c/r the turn but b/f the river if it goes c/c on the turn, no? I persoanlly hate c/r-ing the turn with such a medium strength hand. Is a pro ever really calling us with a weaker hand there?

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He's a live pro. They never fold anything but always fold everything.

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edit - nevermind, I just realized I don't understand your comment [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]