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Old 07-10-2007, 03:14 PM
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Default Re: My noob play with QQ at live 1/2 NL

OP played it fine.

As for your comment, online is more aggro, checking this (although done usually in position) enables hero to get value more in future streets if ahead and adds the bonus of catching villain bluffing on the turn or river.

Live is more passive hence no point of this. (or less usefull of a play)

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Villian is obv donk.

So people c-bet this hand live and then check this hand online, im confused?

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Old 07-10-2007, 03:25 PM
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Villain was horrible on turn and river; flop and pf not horrible.

As far as hero. I'm willing to put in exactly one bet on next three streets. So I probably check and live villain is likely to check without a king.
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Old 07-10-2007, 03:47 PM
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Villain was horrible on turn and river; flop and pf not horrible.

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So you always flat call a raise with AK pre-flop with others left to act? I am not a fan of playing AK in multi-way pots live. I do not understand why you want to be so passive live. The players are bad and will put a lot of chips in the middle with TPGK. That's the hand I expect to get paid from. Not a bluff or a PP that isn't putting another dime in the pot unless they suck out and destroy me.
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Old 07-10-2007, 04:38 PM
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Hand looks pretty standard (I am not a big fan of double barreling live calling stations.) I c-bet this flop HU as well and shut down when called. Villain played the hand horribly on every street.

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Just calling flop is bad here if you're villian? (obvious needs to bet turn and river)

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I probably just call this flop if I am villain, depends on my read on hero, and "guy who pretty much plays limit but figured he'd try 1/2" fits into my calling the flop plan.

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You really play that passive the first two streets live in position with AK?

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What do you mean by 'first two streets?' I definitely don't check the turn. I usually reraise preflop, not always, and I often just call this flop.
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Old 07-10-2007, 04:39 PM
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Villain was horrible on turn and river; flop and pf not horrible.

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So you always flat call a raise with AK pre-flop with others left to act? I am not a fan of playing AK in multi-way pots live. I do not understand why you want to be so passive live. The players are bad and will put a lot of chips in the middle with TPGK. That's the hand I expect to get paid from. Not a bluff or a PP that isn't putting another dime in the pot unless they suck out and destroy me.

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I sort of expect to get paid off by a lot PPs here. Maybe I'm thinking about it wrong. I'm playing this hand expecting to get in a bet on every street, rather than stack KQ. I'm not really worried about being outdraw in this spot.

The way I play, the vast majority of hero's are going to find it pretty much impossible to find a fold with anything 88+ against me here. I'm basically calling praying not to turn an ace on the flop, and then making bluffy-looking bets on turn and river. Folding to any raise at any point after flop. The only tough spot is when I just call the flop and he leads into me on turn, whether to raise or just call again, but thats really read dependent.
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Old 07-10-2007, 04:54 PM
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Hand looks pretty standard (I am not a big fan of double barreling live calling stations.) I c-bet this flop HU as well and shut down when called. Villain played the hand horribly on every street.

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Just calling flop is bad here if you're villian? (obvious needs to bet turn and river)

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I probably just call this flop if I am villain, depends on my read on hero, and "guy who pretty much plays limit but figured he'd try 1/2" fits into my calling the flop plan.

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You really play that passive the first two streets live in position with AK?

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What do you mean by 'first two streets?' I definitely don't check the turn. I usually reraise preflop, not always, and I often just call this flop.

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I mean cold calling both pre-flop and the flop. I can understand cold calling one or the other based upon reads, etc., but calling pre-flop and the flop in position with AK is terrible.
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Old 07-10-2007, 05:23 PM
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Hand looks pretty standard (I am not a big fan of double barreling live calling stations.) I c-bet this flop HU as well and shut down when called. Villain played the hand horribly on every street.

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Just calling flop is bad here if you're villian? (obvious needs to bet turn and river)

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I probably just call this flop if I am villain, depends on my read on hero, and "guy who pretty much plays limit but figured he'd try 1/2" fits into my calling the flop plan.

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You really play that passive the first two streets live in position with AK?

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What do you mean by 'first two streets?' I definitely don't check the turn. I usually reraise preflop, not always, and I often just call this flop.

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I mean cold calling both pre-flop and the flop. I can understand cold calling one or the other based upon reads, etc., but calling pre-flop and the flop in position with AK is terrible.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure I don't ever actually just call both. Lots of times I'd cold-call one or the other though. I wasn't really thinking about the hand in its entirety, someone was defending just calling the flop, and I thought that was ok.
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Old 07-10-2007, 05:27 PM
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure I don't ever actually just call both. Lots of times I'd cold-call one or the other though. I wasn't really thinking about the hand in its entirety, someone was defending just calling the flop, and I thought that was ok.

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I think we agree. Villain did everything he could to allow hero to beat him. The only problem was the deck did not cooperate.
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