PS16- Terrible river card.

[KoreanBuffet]

you bet the river to control the size of the pot. since you bet the turn he only raises hands that beat you here.

[kyro]

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you bet the river to control the size of the pot. since you bet the turn he only raises hands that beat you here.

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what?

[kyro]

I don't think checking the flop is terrible. I don't think checking the river is terrible, but you have to call this here.

[KoreanBuffet]

kyro, you bet the river the amount YOU want. If we are commited to check calling we could be facing an all in or a pot sized bet which would be bad. Here we can size the bet ourselves as to the appropriate value for our hand and what we are willing to give up should we be raised.

[ChipLeader]

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you bet the river to control the size of the pot. since you bet the turn he only raises hands that beat you here.

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Betting the river only gets you value in ONE way: if he has a hand he'd call with but wouldnt bet himself.

It loses value:
when he would have bluffed
when you are raised

You make more when he attempts a bluff that you pick off than when you bet and he calls with somethin he wouldnt bet. Factor that in with the fact that you have to fold at a -300 or -400 loss from your river bet when he raises and you have an easy check/call or check/fold. In this instance, i like check/call.

[KoreanBuffet]

Im advocating puting out a blocker bet here that keeps him from running a huge bluff for a large amount of chips that we cannot call. I think the blocker bet saves us a tough decision should he get ballsy, and saves us money on the check/call.

[kyro]

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kyro, you bet the river the amount YOU want. If we are commited to check calling we could be facing an all in or a pot sized bet which would be bad. Here we can size the bet ourselves as to the appropriate value for our hand and what we are willing to give up should we be raised.

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Oh you mean a blocking bet.

[ChipLeader]

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Im advocating puting out a blocker bet here that keeps him from running a huge bluff for a large amount of chips that we cannot call. I think the blocker bet saves us a tough decision should he get ballsy, and saves us money on the check/call.

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Blocker bet could work, but it also might end up costing us the much needed ~300 chips (1/4 our stack.) OP can decide the chance of success with such a bet and how comfortable he is playing with 800-900 chips here should it fail. PERSONALLY, i prefer to check/call, giving myself a chance to get a playable stack and i think he checks behind you often enough based on marginal hands he wouldnt call much on the river with and a missed draw.

Also, big river bet doesnt even have to be a bluff or monster. Could often enough be a lower two pair.

[sippin_criss]

I think the reason pudge said to bet river was to get value from worse, and villain almost never raises a worse hand. I obviously agree with pudge, and I play flop and turn the same as OP.

[Pudge714]

Sippin summed it up well
Unknowns don't vbet worse since most unknowns can't vbet thin.
Unknowns will check back so many made hands since they have showdown value. So if you are checking you are doing it solely to induce a bluff. Clubs or weak made hands are the only bluffs people can have since people don't bluff weak made hands that often you are checking to induce a bet from specifically a club.
I just looked at stacks and I don't think you can bet/fold, but I also don't think that river is that big a scare card. Since a lot of Ahxh hands bet the flop or raise preflop and it is impossible for him to have the Kh,Jh,Th. I would probably shove this river really quickly and hope he calls with something dumb. Also with stacks I like the flop check a lot more since it sets up for a pretty easy check shove.